ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[davek]

So now kopites think they are a world authority on Coronavirus ...

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I'd say the mask on his big gob is a massive improvement !

First he gets involved in releasing whales into the ocean, then he's an epidemiologist. It's a good move for him, because he's about as funny as a dose of anthrax.

 

[larbert toffee]

First he gets involved in releasing whales into the ocean, then he's an epidemiologist. It's a good move for him, because he's about as funny as a dose of anthrax.

What an absolute tosser he really is, now thinking he's a world authoritative on a pandemic.

 

[Pilks]

I mean he says he couldn't be more balanced, and isn't going to stoop to your level of name calling, while in the paragraph above resorts to name calling.

This is half the problem, they think they can go around abusing people, and when called on it then make the person trying to identify their behaviour the issue. It's common behaviour of an abuser.

I mean, when dealing with abusive men, you realise quite quickly they all tend to follow the same patterns. If you study the literature around it, it's remarkably consistent in what they do. A lot of their fans fit into that category (not all by many means, but a growing number). So it's really easy to know exactly what will cause them enormous anger. Essentially not being intimidated by them, and calmly explaining their behaviour back to them is going to cause all manner of anger.

I know those two lads will be back, with different names. It's a cross we all have to bear.

Actually, the bottom bit about being balanced and not stooping to name calling was my reply to him, along with informing him that I actually AM local, and a four decade season ticket holder - the way I quoted it was probably confusingly done. Though the point does stand that he said I'd contradicted myself several times in my original reply to him, which I clearly didn't, yet offered no example of supposed contradiction.

He really was a sanctimonious buffoon.

 

[Jimmyhusband]

There's obviously different theories of what fascism is and how to identify it. I am most sympathetic to the one outlined their, which is essentially it developed an independent pole of attraction tht had a paradoxical position of doing aspects of what the elite wanted, but also existing as a threat in other areas. The social bae of the Nazi's (and indeed Mussolini's Fasci) were lumpen thugs and aspects of the middle class, at the lower end who felt "squeezed" above and below.

LFC have a very similar dynamic in their support base. Lots of home counties types with range rover and a subscription to the Telegraph and the lumpen fools who try to torch iconic symbolsof a working class city, or urinate on memorials/graffiti them. Go and watch Tommy Robinsons visits to Liverpool, the crowds that go to watch him are full of LFC shirts. They're a racist club, with racist support (he himself went to Anfield, and no harm came to him, I suspect he was welcomed).

As for the 2nd part, them and United are the establishment clubs. They're as establishment as Saville and Thatcher. Loads of tories support them, including now Rees Mogg. They are as English/British as the Union Jack. They are trying to colonise a working class city with their nonsense as well. They'll lap it up being on the Proms as well. There will be absolutely no calls for the club to distance itself from the establishment once YNWA becomes the new song of british imperialism at the Proms. Most of them will be dead chuffed they can asscoiate themselves to the mass murder of the British empire, as they hate Black people and Irish people.

The first paragraph is evidence that a little knoledge is a dangerous thing, the NSDAp’s social base was not the lumpenproletariat, it was first the peasantry and then the bourgeois, driven by fear of thr KPD. I suggest you read some grown ups’ books.
second paragraph is fantasy and the third shows little understanding of Liverpool, I suspect you are a teenage wool who has a limited view of the world. And if you want to know about racism in Football Cliffie Marshall is a good case study.

how does this bile spewer escape a ban

 

[tsubaki]

The first paragraph is evidence that a little knoledge is a dangerous thing, the NSDAp’s social base was not the lumpenproletariat, it was first the peasantry and then the bourgeois, driven by fear of thr KPD. I suggest you read some grown ups’ books.
second paragraph is fantasy and the third shows little understanding of Liverpool, I suspect you are a teenage wool who has a limited view of the world. And if you want to know about racism in Football Cliffie Marshall is a good case study.

how does this bile spewer escape a ban

not going to even need Scooby to unmask this person, I think

 

[Yarrgh]

The first paragraph is evidence that a little knoledge is a dangerous thing, the NSDAp’s social base was not the lumpenproletariat, it was first the peasantry and then the bourgeois, driven by fear of thr KPD. I suggest you read some grown ups’ books.
second paragraph is fantasy and the third shows little understanding of Liverpool, I suspect you are a teenage wool who has a limited view of the world. And if you want to know about racism in Football Cliffie Marshall is a good case study.

how does this bile spewer escape a ban

Oh hello.

 

[ste d' indica]

The first paragraph is evidence that a little knoledge is a dangerous thing, the NSDAp’s social base was not the lumpenproletariat, it was first the peasantry and then the bourgeois, driven by fear of thr KPD. I suggest you read some grown ups’ books.
second paragraph is fantasy and the third shows little understanding of Liverpool, I suspect you are a teenage wool who has a limited view of the world. And if you want to know about racism in Football Cliffie Marshall is a good case study.

how does this bile spewer escape a ban

Hello mate

 

[davek]

Jimmy Husband heading for an early divorce with GOT.

 

[Homer Jay]

They really are like the white walkers from Game of Thrones on here aren’t they? You kill one only for 2 more to appear much uglier and decrepit than the last.

 

[Homer Jay]

The first paragraph is evidence that a little knoledge is a dangerous thing, the NSDAp’s social base was not the lumpenproletariat, it was first the peasantry and then the bourgeois, driven by fear of thr KPD. I suggest you read some grown ups’ books.
second paragraph is fantasy and the third shows little understanding of Liverpool, I suspect you are a teenage wool who has a limited view of the world. And if you want to know about racism in Football Cliffie Marshall is a good case study.

how does this bile spewer escape a ban

anyone else love the irony of this?

 

[davek]

anyone else love the irony of this?

I also enjoyed how he rebuffed the charge of nazism by underlining his expert knowledge of a nazi organisation.

 

[ste d' indica]

Just waiting for the inevitable 'Oh right, just because I've spent my time on an Everton forum having sly digs at Everton and sucking off Liverpool in a thread dedicated to ripping them I'm accused of being a red... you lot are all paranoid.... I'm an old time fan that remembers when the city was united'

 

[davek]

Just waiting for the inevitable 'Oh right, just because I've spent my time on an Everton forum having sly digs at Everton and sucking off Liverpool in a thread dedicated to ripping them I'm accused of being a red... you lot are all paranoid.... I'm an old time fan that remembers when the city was united'

As certain as a Kopite slamming a concrete slab down on a waiters head.

 

[tsubaki]

As certain as a Kopite slamming a concrete slab down on a waiters head.

his alibi will be that he was in ban at the time

 

[catcherintherye]

The first paragraph is evidence that a little knoledge is a dangerous thing, the NSDAp’s social base was not the lumpenproletariat, it was first the peasantry and then the bourgeois, driven by fear of thr KPD. I suggest you read some grown ups’ books.
second paragraph is fantasy and the third shows little understanding of Liverpool, I suspect you are a teenage wool who has a limited view of the world. And if you want to know about racism in Football Cliffie Marshall is a good case study.

how does this bile spewer escape a ban

Ah ok, so which grown ups books would you recommend that I read? I mean for clarity there weren't really peasants in Germany beyond the 19th century (and most historians accept they ceased to exist at some point in the first half the century before the Nazis). So I struggle to see a serious case that the Nazi's social base was heavily based in an group ofpeople who were distinguished about 100 yeras previously as the modes of production updated.

As for the "middle class" yes as stated the Mittlestand provided a lot of support, especially in terms of voters. However in terms of the street element I've always felt the Lumpenproliteriat was a key driver.

I mean if you want to acquaint yourself with a couple of (the myriad) of texts that support this notion there's a paper here

"Fascism further tends to find recruits among the lumpenproletariat, with offers of social mobility won through conquest and pillage."

Or here https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm
"Through the fascist agency, capitalism sets in motion the masses of the crazed petty bourgeoisie and the bands of declassed and demoralized lumpenproletariat"

There are obviously different theories, one as a kind of ruling class reaction, others as totalitarian disjuncture with the system. As I noted to Dave, the above is only the one I subscribe too.

You'll have to explain to me which bit lacked understanding about Liverpool (are you confusing Liverpool the city with Liverpool the football club perhaps?).

I'm not sure what "Cliffie Marshall" is, have you spelt this correctly, or have you made another mistake in not bothering to properly research one of Everton's black footballers actual names were?

As for escaping a ban, thats obviously up to the mods to decide, but I'd imagine it will be quite difficult to ban someone for telling the truth, however inconvenient and difficult it is.

I'll await your suggestions on "grown up books" on the existence German peasantry in the early 20th century. As you say, a little knowledge is dangerous and all that.