NeroCeasar
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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3
- Thread starter cronullasharks
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They don’t even try hard to hide it these days. Up your game yer gobshiitees
Sorry lads, I answered a question. Don't drag me into your hunt. Not my style
Sorry lads, I answered a question. Don't drag me into your hunt. Not my style
aazak
Player Valuation: £20m
Talk of Paul Kimmage reminded me of what he wrote after the CL semifinal in 2019:
Cheerleading has become fashionable again. If we had a penny for every writer who was misty-eyed at Augusta, or took to Twitter last week weeping unconditional joy for Liverpool and Spurs, we could pay Paul Pogba. And the analysts, sweet Jesus! Gary Lineker and Rio Ferdinand and their hysterics at the Nou Camp . . . John Aldridge and Jamie Carragher and their hysterics at Anfield . . . Brian Kerr and Keith Andrews and their hysterics on Spurs . . .
Do your job, lads.
Leave the hysteria to the fans.
They might start by asking some questions of Liverpool and the heroics attributed to the captain, Jordan Henderson, on Thursday in The Times and The Star and this, from The Mirror:
"Jordan Henderson has provided a unique insight into the belief and commitment which miraculously swept Liverpool into the Champions League final. Liverpool skipper Henderson (below, in agony) revealed he was barely able to walk after a cynical stamp from Barcelona's Clement Lenglet early in the epic semi-final.
"At half-time, there were real fears he would not be able to continue, but the midfielder explained that nothing was going to deny him the best night of his life. 'I was struggling when I got a whack on the knee, it was dead,' he said. 'The doctor said just keep it moving. I managed to get to half-time and I had some treatment, painkillers, all that stuff, which helped.'
"His description is matter-of-fact. But, when pressed, Henderson's answer showed the warrior spirit which allowed his side to deliver the greatest night in Anfield history. 'There was a jab and tablets. Both. Everything. I said just give us everything,' he said, with a broad smile."
Imagine a pro cyclist said that.
But let's not go there. No, let's digest the 'warrior spirit' for a moment and try to figure this out. We know that there were 518 samples collected at the Champions League last season, and presume the UEFA testers were at Anfield on Tuesday. We know the medical staff at Liverpool are gifted and diligent and would never cross an ethical line. And there's a chance, just a chance, the boy Jordy was gilding the lily.
It was, after all, the greatest game ever seen at Anfield. He had, after all, just captained the side and played brilliantly. He was, after all, absolutely buzzing and the writers could not get enough. But it was still worth some questions that should have been asked:
Were you tested after the game, Jordan?
How many times have you been tested this year?
How many times have you been jabbed?
What were the tablets?
What were the jabs?
Did you know?
Do you ask?
Cheerleading has become fashionable again. If we had a penny for every writer who was misty-eyed at Augusta, or took to Twitter last week weeping unconditional joy for Liverpool and Spurs, we could pay Paul Pogba. And the analysts, sweet Jesus! Gary Lineker and Rio Ferdinand and their hysterics at the Nou Camp . . . John Aldridge and Jamie Carragher and their hysterics at Anfield . . . Brian Kerr and Keith Andrews and their hysterics on Spurs . . .
Do your job, lads.
Leave the hysteria to the fans.
They might start by asking some questions of Liverpool and the heroics attributed to the captain, Jordan Henderson, on Thursday in The Times and The Star and this, from The Mirror:
"Jordan Henderson has provided a unique insight into the belief and commitment which miraculously swept Liverpool into the Champions League final. Liverpool skipper Henderson (below, in agony) revealed he was barely able to walk after a cynical stamp from Barcelona's Clement Lenglet early in the epic semi-final.
"At half-time, there were real fears he would not be able to continue, but the midfielder explained that nothing was going to deny him the best night of his life. 'I was struggling when I got a whack on the knee, it was dead,' he said. 'The doctor said just keep it moving. I managed to get to half-time and I had some treatment, painkillers, all that stuff, which helped.'
"His description is matter-of-fact. But, when pressed, Henderson's answer showed the warrior spirit which allowed his side to deliver the greatest night in Anfield history. 'There was a jab and tablets. Both. Everything. I said just give us everything,' he said, with a broad smile."
Imagine a pro cyclist said that.
But let's not go there. No, let's digest the 'warrior spirit' for a moment and try to figure this out. We know that there were 518 samples collected at the Champions League last season, and presume the UEFA testers were at Anfield on Tuesday. We know the medical staff at Liverpool are gifted and diligent and would never cross an ethical line. And there's a chance, just a chance, the boy Jordy was gilding the lily.
It was, after all, the greatest game ever seen at Anfield. He had, after all, just captained the side and played brilliantly. He was, after all, absolutely buzzing and the writers could not get enough. But it was still worth some questions that should have been asked:
Were you tested after the game, Jordan?
How many times have you been tested this year?
How many times have you been jabbed?
What were the tablets?
What were the jabs?
Did you know?
Do you ask?
This is spot on, the press dont want to know, the FA's dont want to know & for some reason or other the Doping bodies (WADA etc) seem to keep their heads in the sand when it comes to football. If you roll back to the Fuentes case from 2009, there was a huge fall out across a huge variety of sports and despite multiple links to football including the German WC team in 2006 & the two power houses in spain, football came out of the scandal pretty much unscathed.
What's even more bizarre is high profile Dr's linked with the Fuentes scandal continue to treat footballers publicly & to the best of my understanding, when one manager was at Munich, the clubs in house medical resigned due to surprising practices.
When it comes to the 22 asthmatics, if this is true (given there is no source or validation in article), it shows pretty much beyond doubt that they are maximising the "limits" of TEU's through questionable diagnosis of illness to accommodate PED's, the exact same as Sharapova was caught doing with Meldonium. While this might be within the limits of the law for me it is undoubtedly doping.
From my POV, there is no doubt that sports science is being pushed to the absolute limits in the PL and when you look at stat's like Sprints and distance covered, there are no real outliers, which would suggest that some clubs are doping and others not. Add in the churn of sports science / Dr's and physios between PL clubs there is no way some clubs are "at it" and others not.
NeroCeasar
Player Valuation: £6m
And that's cool, out of interest what's your view on the inevitable doping scandal that will emerge from the RS changing room? Your obviously very critical of Pep players missing tests so I presume you will be in favour of long bans and stripping of titles when the RS eventually get done?
See my post on it
He's a terrific Journalist who doesn't get near the credit he should
Check my history of posts mate.
Seathestars
Player Valuation: £60m
The Asterisk Asthmatic Champions, more shame
As per my post, I don't think there will be an inevitable doping scandal. If there is throw the book at them, ban the players, strip them off trophies and everything else. But do i think they will get done in isolation. Not a chance
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £60m
If you ever get a spare 5-10 mins, go have a look at the everton forum on RAWK. 
Not to mention they have a Thread called "Man City - The Lisbon Lyons", so bitter it is hilarious.
On the Everton thread they are all financial experts and expect Moshiri to pull the plug and us to screwed, not building a stadium, whilst being laughable....
Can't see the irony though.
Not to mention they have a Thread called "Man City - The Lisbon Lyons", so bitter it is hilarious.
On the Everton thread they are all financial experts and expect Moshiri to pull the plug and us to screwed, not building a stadium, whilst being laughable....
Can't see the irony though.
They're so bitter about City it's beyond belief. They were the same about Chelsea when Abramovich took over. They don't like anyone who has the audacity to be ambitious and challenge their deluded sense of entitlement and hegemony. Missing out on two league titles and a League Cup final to City pushed them over the edge. They accuse City of seeking a rivalry but conveniently overlook that it was their fans, in cahoots with the club and the RS-supporting chief constable of Merseyside Police, that orchestrated a disgraceful attack on City's team bus. What kind of freaks publish the route that the away team will be taking to the ground? They caused £40,000-worth of damage to the bus. How do they expect to be viewed by City fans in light of that? They lost the moral high-ground forever in May 1985.
anton66
Player Valuation: £50m
If you leave them to it, they start fighting with each other.