ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[catcherintherye]

We've spoke on this before - but i have zero doubt the plan was to "Cash-in" on one (at least) of Salah / Mane / Firmino last summer, but obviously Covid put the stop on that.

don't know where they go next summer, you suspect they will lose milner (massively important), winjaldum and probably one of the front 3 - that's alot of churn

I think Mane was more 2019 mate and Firmino was the year before. Bayern's had a look at Firmino but again baulked at the 80m ish asking price. I suspect they saw him as a bench option for Levandovski, who is leagues ahead of Firmino in fairness (and most other strikers).

I'm not sure what the plan was for 2020 pre virus, however given Werner was targeted it's hard to imagine they weren't looking at getting one out. I suspect they would have had a go at moving Mane on, but maybe Salah if it failed. In fairness to Liverpool, it was a good plan, their valuations tend to be too high, but the plan is sensible. And it wasnt their fault the pandemic, and subsequent economic turbulence came.

Unfortunately prices decline around 25% on players this summer. That will just be the start. This was especially so with players high 20s and upwards. Come next summer, Mane and Salah are 29, and Firmino is 30. So whatever the price was they could be sold for (note that's very different to the asking price) will probably be maybe 35% lower in addition to whatever depreciation kicks in next summer. This is of course on top of a player being sold at 29 is lower than 1 at 27.

So theyve essentially got stuck with a load of stock they cant get rid of. From a financial perspective it made sense to move Wijnaldum on, but again, 29 and Barca not wanting to pay any major fee beyond a nominal one means he goes for a free.

Theres a bit of a rebuild needed there, as City have had to do. I think it was yourself who agreed with me around 18 months ago when I said Liverpool were on Citys trajectory but just 12 months behind. It seems similar to me and to be coming to fruition.

 

[catcherintherye]

i think Southampton on monday will be a tough game for the Republic of Norway , they have had 3 tought seasons on the go they dont look infallible to me , far from it i looked on rawk today and they are bad mouthing United big time so they must be very worried , me as a United fan i dont think we win the title but if we can stop these bells it would be brilliant

If they are going on about United they must be worried.

A few I know were even getting a bit concerned with us, until we Evertoned it against West Ham. They can see they are shaky.

West Brom are awful, and deservedly went to Anfield and got a point. Brighton, Fulham, Newcastle arent much better.

As for you guys, I think you'll fall away unfortunately, but if you could win it, it would be the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

If they are going on about United they must be worried.

A few I know were even getting a bit concerned with us, until we Evertoned it against West Ham. They can see they are shaky.

West Brom are awful, and deservedly went to Anfield and got a point. Brighton, Fulham, Newcastle arent much better.

As for you guys, I think you'll fall away unfortunately, but if you could win it, it would be the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

lol yes i agree i think we will fall away but if we kept in there im sure the koppites would disintegrate into a mass suicidal cult , to think one of poorest United teams in the last 40 years depriving them of their so called righteous destiny , number 21 would be the best ever , love from Sunny East Manchester

 

[catcherintherye]

lol yes i agree i think we will fall away but if we kept in there im sure the koppites would disintegrate into a mass suicidal cult , to think one of poorest United teams in the last 40 years depriving them of their so called righteous destiny , number 21 would be the best ever , love from Sunny East Manchester

I have this image of them doing a parade next summer, when United are the actual champions, and it would be the funniest thing I can imagine. Its actually more a reflection of me really, but it would be very funny.

Also Jurgen Klopp being monstered by OGS would be top trolling as well.

Need to win at Anfield though.

It's funny as theyve all become quite loving towards you lot before. Cheering for you against City and Everton. That will stop again soon.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

I have this image of them doing a parade next summer, when United are the actual champions, and it would be the funniest thing I can imagine. Its actually more a reflection of me really, but it would be very funny.

Also Jurgen Klopp being monstered by OGS would be top trolling as well.

Need to win at Anfield though.

It's funny as theyve all become quite loving towards you lot before. Cheering for you against City and Everton. That will stop again soon.

Yes they have to patronise to patronise United but we as a club can stand toe to toe with them and they know it , we have been poor in recent years but now we are near them they have gone into overdrive ridiculing us again , i think they fear city more but they are terrified of us on top again

 

[catcherintherye]

Yes they have to patronise to patronise United but we as a club can stand toe to toe with them and they know it , we have been poor in recent years but now we are near them they have gone into overdrive ridiculing us again , i think they fear city more but they are terrified of us on top again

United are unique I suppose, as you wont be panicked by them. Many are, even City are a bit. Sometimes City batter them, but you feel they need to outplay them to win.

United have it in their MO to win leagues. I'd be delighted if I was a United fan thus far. Going below the radar, winning away easily, with to now very little attention. Also can just sack off the Europa league too so few distractions.

I still think you need a better manager, but it's a crazy season and who knows. I think 80 points is going to get anybody very close this year.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Yes they have to patronise to patronise United but we as a club can stand toe to toe with them and they know it , we have been poor in recent years but now we are near them they have gone into overdrive ridiculing us again , i think they fear city more but they are terrified of us on top again

The problem for them is that they see in Man U a team that has the attacking options and ability to slice their defence apart continually over 90 minutes. If Man U can play with pace and accuracy going forward, allied to clinical finishing, then I cannot see the RS getting near you. It's no fluke that you've moved up to your present position...

 

[anxiouswarrior]

We have done better recently we have a long way to go , defensively we need to improve but we have a big threat going forward , lets see if we can scare them a bit

 

[Tin-Tin]

Salah 29 in 5 months
Mane 29 in 3 months
Firmino 30 in 8 months

All have 2 years left on their deals this summer. Liverpool have a bit of a dilema as to get them to sign new deals until they are 33/34 and wont have any sell on value or take the hit on one this summer to improve other areas? Out of them all Salah is the most likely due to his commercial profile.

 

[catcherintherye]

Salah 29 in 5 months
Mane 29 in 3 months
Firmino 30 in 8 months

All have 2 years left on their deals this summer. Liverpool have a bit of a dilema as to get them to sign new deals until they are 33/34 and wont have any sell on value or take the hit on one this summer to improve other areas? Out of them all Salah is the most likely due to his commercial profile.

I put something similar above mate (in a more waffly way!).

That's the dilemma really for them. The other issue, is that they will all be wanting another big payday/final payday and Liverpool may not be happy to commit that (especially when you see what's going on with Wijnaldum).

I think that they are on big money, and will be able to get similar elsewhere will be a challenge.

 

[gwladysnight]

Salah 29 in 5 months
Mane 29 in 3 months
Firmino 30 in 8 months

All have 2 years left on their deals this summer. Liverpool have a bit of a dilema as to get them to sign new deals until they are 33/34 and wont have any sell on value or take the hit on one this summer to improve other areas? Out of them all Salah is the most likely due to his commercial profile.

Or you could just be straight and say that

Salah is 28
Mane is 28
Firmino is 29

And that all three are on long term deals that don't expire until 2023.

Plus they have signed Jot who has just turned 24 and is under contract until 2025.

They clearly have weaknesses especially in midfield but trying to pretend their forwards are a weakness is a bit daft.

 

[PaddyJames]

I put something similar above mate (in a more waffly way!).

That's the dilemma really for them. The other issue, is that they will all be wanting another big payday/final payday and Liverpool may not be happy to commit that (especially when you see what's going on with Wijnaldum).

I think that they are on big money, and will be able to get similar elsewhere will be a challenge.

You put something to someone in a more waffly way than you do on here mate? Nurse Ratched will be having a field day with him.

Reality is, the bubbles burst with them. Mane hates it, Salah hates him and wants on last move (PSG) and Firmino ... I don't know is he any good anymore? Other than that maybe van dijk is a loss, cant deny he's a good centre back but alexander has lost it this season. Utd or Chelsea will win it. City are crap. Flash in the pan gear. They wont spend enough and Bayern wipe the floor with them anyway in Europe.

 

[PaddyJames]

Or you could just be straight and say that

Salah is 28
Mane is 28
Firmino is 29

And that all three are on long term deals that don't expire until 2023.

Plus they have signed Jot who has just turned 24 and is under contract until 2025.

They clearly have weaknesses especially in midfield but trying to pretend their forwards are a weakness is a bit daft.

You can already see how they've been sussed. Long term? The longer the better because the decline is there for all to see. That Jota looks ok to be fair but with what?

 

[tommytowne]

Salah 29 in 5 months
Mane 29 in 3 months
Firmino 30 in 8 months

All have 2 years left on their deals this summer. Liverpool have a bit of a dilema as to get them to sign new deals until they are 33/34 and wont have any sell on value or take the hit on one this summer to improve other areas? Out of them all Salah is the most likely due to his commercial profile.

Stop tormenting yourself.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
Blues were whooping and hollering when we found out Keegan was leaving. Their replacement of course King Kenny. They will always come out smelling of roses.

 

[Penno]

Or you could just be straight and say that

Salah is 28
Mane is 28
Firmino is 29

And that all three are on long term deals that don't expire until 2023.

Plus they have signed Jot who has just turned 24 and is under contract until 2025.

They clearly have weaknesses especially in midfield but trying to pretend their forwards are a weakness is a bit daft.

Mum I’m on Everton forum and the big boys are being nasty again.