ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[bluelife]

Actually I think you are wrong on that these days. I used to think it was arbitrary in regard to when the ball was kicked but I'm sure I watched something before the World Cup that explained that is no longer the case and that the match ball now has a sensor built in. Here's an article...

The World Cup’s New High-Tech Ball Will Change Soccer Forever

When the 2022 World Cup made its debut on Sunday, it kicked off one of the most significant in-game uses of technology in sports history. All tournament long, m…

fivethirtyeight.com

PS. It is "offside." A singular event.

I too have been in the school of thought of arbitrary choosing of point-of-contact - and I'm almost sure they still guess the frame to choose since you sometimes see them flicking back and forth. In addition, they are heavily limited by camera frame rate, which I'm guessing is capped is capped at no more than 60Hz. This means ~ 0.02s is between every frame. That's a long time when considering two bodies can be moving in opposite directions at 8m/s each - 30cm in fact can open up in that time (and that's discounting possible leg extensions being pulled in at a much quicker speed)

Until they get 240Hz cameras & monitors as standard, I think the onfield decision should stand (unless a clear mistake has been made, i.e behind the half way line, not the actual last defender)

 

[HowardsWay]

I too have been in the school of thought of arbitrary choosing of point-of-contact - and I'm almost sure they still guess the frame to choose since you sometimes see them flicking back and forth. In addition, they are heavily limited by camera frame rate, which I'm guessing is capped is capped at no more than 60Hz. This means ~ 0.02s is between every frame. That's a long time when considering two bodies can be moving in opposite directions at 8m/s each - 30cm in fact can open up in that time (and that's discounting possible leg extensions being pulled in at a much quicker speed)

Until they get 240Hz cameras & monitors as standard, I think the onfield decision should stand (unless a clear mistake has been made, i.e behind the half way line, not the actual last defender)

I'm still with Wenger and the clear daylight between players being the best way forward. I want to see more goals. That simple.

 

[davek]

Actually I think you are wrong on that these days. I used to think it was arbitrary in regard to when the ball was kicked but I'm sure I watched something before the World Cup that explained that is no longer the case and that the match ball now has a sensor built in. Here's an article...

The World Cup’s New High-Tech Ball Will Change Soccer Forever

When the 2022 World Cup made its debut on Sunday, it kicked off one of the most significant in-game uses of technology in sports history. All tournament long, m…

fivethirtyeight.com

PS. It is "offside." A singular event.

Well in the PL there is no such system.

 

[HowardsWay]

Well in the PL there is no such system.

The 2023 Premier league ball is the Nike Flight Ball with a built-in sensor chip. The chip, called the Nike Flight Motion, is embedded in the ball and can provide data on the ball's flight trajectory, speed, spin, and other metrics.

 

[davek]

The 2023 Premier league ball is the Nike Flight Ball with a built-in sensor chip. The chip, called the Nike Flight Motion, is embedded in the ball and can provide data on the ball's flight trajectory, speed, spin, and other metrics.

But is that the same as having technology to determine automatic offsides - I think other European leagues like Serie A have that in place now but not the PL.

 

[roydo]

But is that the same as having technology to determine automatic offsides - I think other European leagues like Serie A have that in place now but not the PL.

Its used in CL games mate. Maybe their minor comps as well. PL clubs voted against it.

 

[davek]

Its used in CL games mate. Maybe their minor comps as well. PL clubs voted against it.

I think we'll see that decision revisited after the crime of the century.

Generally speaking I suspect that the PL always want to leave room for 'talking points' over decisions as it boosts 'the product'.

 

[roydo]

I think we'll see that decision revisited after the crime of the century.

Generally speaking I suspect that the PL always want to leave room for 'talking points' over decisions as it boosts 'the product'.

WC. Tick.

UEFA. Tick.

PL. No ta.

Being generous, "maybe" the tech wasnt proven when the PL clubs said No. Tis now though.

 

[davek]

WC. Tick.

UEFA. Tick.

PL. No ta.

Being generous, "maybe" the tech wasnt proven when the PL clubs said No. Tis now though.

I bet it's the last thing in the world Sky Sports wants.

We suffer in this country with such hysterical coverage of the game...with Neville and Carragher leading the way.

 

[chrismpw]

Just saw this posted elsewhere with the caption " replay?"


Makes ya think.

 

[Sharpattack]

 

[Wizard]

I think we'll see that decision revisited after the crime of the century.

Generally speaking I suspect that the PL always want to leave room for 'talking points' over decisions as it boosts 'the product'.

I agree that it will almost certainly come in next season. But it wouldn't actually have made a difference in this case as the VAR correctly determined he was onside. He just didn't know what he was supposed to be checking.

 

[davek]

I agree that it will almost certainly come in next season. But it wouldn't actually have made a difference in this case as the VAR correctly determined he was onside. He just didn't know what he was supposed to be checking.

It'd have clarified it right away surely. No room for debate and as unequivocal as the ball over the goal line technology.

 

[Wizard]

It'd have clarified it right away surely. No room for debate and as unequivocal as the ball over the goal line technology.

It doesn't work in the same way as GLT. It doesn't buzz the ref's watch. VAR still has to look at it and tell the ref which in this case would have led to the same mistake.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I think we'll see that decision revisited after the crime of the century.

Generally speaking I suspect that the PL always want to leave room for 'talking points' over decisions as it boosts 'the product'.

The PL always wants to leave room to fix the outcome of games. Do people really believe that the richest game in the world is left entirely to chance? The same company that runs the primary tv company covering the product (and paying the players wages) also happens to run a bookmakers that profits on the outcome of these games.

Last day title races, last day relegation scraps, all these controversial decisions captured on ‘super Sunday’ live tv. They don’t just happen by sheer chance, it’s all orchestrated for viewing figures, advertisement money, betting profits, and social media interactions.