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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

Specials said:
Have actually been furloughed as it happens. I had no idea that was going to be such a controversial post ffs. Far more profitable companies than them will have taken advantage.
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Then they should be in prison, liverpool earned more prize money last season than ever before, if they needed that money then they are cheating FFP.
 
Saint Domingo said:
I don’t believe there’s any scenario where Liverpool can fail. Let’s face it, they were up against the wall in 2009 in a court room basically seconds from administration before a good will stitch up saved them. 4 years later they were challenging for the title again. The key difference with a Leeds or a Nottingham Forest is that Liverpool are one of only two clubs in the country that literally has every single entity wanting them to be successful. Top politicians want it, football governing bodies want it, the media exist on it, the legal system looked favourably on them. They’re never going to go under or somehow get in a mess, they did that and a court basically ruled they could be sold at a quarter of their real value and all their debts would be wiped clean. They’re never going to go under. If they hadn’t of been so terribly crap for most of the last 30 years they’d be winning the league almost all the time because they have every advantage in their favour. It’s actually amazing incompetence from them that they haven’t won it yet given every ref, media outlet, governing body, and even some opposition players have done their utmost to make it happen for them.
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I know it's easy to think there is a clear conspiracy to never let them fail. I agree there is certainly a structural bias, but I don't think it goes as far as an out and out conspiracy. Indeed the other leading club Manchester United weren't saved from Glazer when that takeover went through. The ruling establishment will have more than enough on their hands to be dealing with than saving football clubs over the forthcoming period.

The 2nd point I'd note, is H & G handled the situation terribly. Up front they didn't put the legal protections in they needed. Secondly they had no idea how to conduct PR and essentially lost the PR battle. I don't know on the former but I'd be very very surprised if FSG allowed the same loopholes as last time. They are astute business people, will have seen the mistakes their predecessors made and will likely have ensured those loopholes were tied (so the debt they've ran up to FSG will be paid). They will also be far more aware what LFC fans are capable of if it goes wrong, and have already shown better PR skills (in a number of ways). They are better prepared and adept at fighting the PR battle.

I don't think it goes the Leeds United way. It only goes the Leeds united way if FSG go bust or get into severe issues owing moneys'. If they start owing wealthy American's money, forget about our establishment, they will bend over to ensure wealthy Americans get paid. It's possible that happens, but it's a small chance.

The more likely scenario I see is a situation similar to United with the Glazers (maybe at a faster speed). The Glazers may start taking money out of United more speedily now too. Essentially taking quite cut throat decisions to protect their entire portfolio by sacrificing a business with some liquidity in the UK (and we know they view their American businesses first). They've also been very ruthless with the Red Sox (their first love) and traded 2 or 3 of their top players this year (essentially got rid of Alisson, Van Dijk and Salah). They are quite prepared to make unpopular short term decisions to benefit the longer term vision of their portfolio (or their club involved).

Look what I can say with almost certainty, is the idea they are signing Mbappe as the idiots with the Mbappe 2020 hashtag nonsense are well out. Even before this crisis your Mel Reddy's were pointing out that they may not even sign Havertz as his price was too high (code for they don't have that money). They've maxed the credit card breaking transfer records. The money they thought they'd get for Coutinho will also be massively down, given he's flopped. I suspect sales are coming, and it will start with Mane.
 
catcherintherye said:
I know it's easy to think there is a clear conspiracy to never let them fail. I agree there is certainly a structural bias, but I don't think it goes as far as an out and out conspiracy. Indeed the other leading club Manchester United weren't saved from Glazer when that takeover went through. The ruling establishment will have more than enough on their hands to be dealing with than saving football clubs over the forthcoming period.

The 2nd point I'd note, is H & G handled the situation terribly. Up front they didn't put the legal protections in they needed. Secondly they had no idea how to conduct PR and essentially lost the PR battle. I don't know on the former but I'd be very very surprised if FSG allowed the same loopholes as last time. They are astute business people, will have seen the mistakes their predecessors made and will likely have ensured those loopholes were tied (so the debt they've ran up to FSG will be paid). They will also be far more aware what LFC fans are capable of if it goes wrong, and have already shown better PR skills (in a number of ways). They are better prepared and adept at fighting the PR battle.

I don't think it goes the Leeds United way. It only goes the Leeds united way if FSG go bust or get into severe issues owing moneys'. If they start owing wealthy American's money, forget about our establishment, they will bend over to ensure wealthy Americans get paid. It's possible that happens, but it's a small chance.

The more likely scenario I see is a situation similar to United with the Glazers (maybe at a faster speed). The Glazers may start taking money out of United more speedily now too. Essentially taking quite cut throat decisions to protect their entire portfolio by sacrificing a business with some liquidity in the UK (and we know they view their American businesses first). They've also been very ruthless with the Red Sox (their first love) and traded 2 or 3 of their top players this year (essentially got rid of Alisson, Van Dijk and Salah). They are quite prepared to make unpopular short term decisions to benefit the longer term vision of their portfolio (or their club involved).

Look what I can say with almost certainty, is the idea they are signing Mbappe as the idiots with the Mbappe 2020 hashtag nonsense are well out. Even before this crisis your Mel Reddy's were pointing out that they may not even sign Havertz as his price was too high (code for they don't have that money). They've maxed the credit card breaking transfer records. The money they thought they'd get for Coutinho will also be massively down, given he's flopped. I suspect sales are coming, and it will start with Mane.
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Dear Uncle Uzzy please put an offer in for Sadio Mane. He might be a bit burnt out be heavymetalguggenheimpresse but he's had a long time to recover this summer and he also doesn't think that the rs should get the title..
 

Furey1878 said:
Just coming in here, admittedly a bit off topic, to congratulate @Foot Long Hot Dog for getting rid of one of the biggest turbo whoppers ever to masquerade as a blue on here.
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Aye, it was a joy to behold. Let's not forget GOT's resident hunter @Efcjake for his part too. I posted this gif before, but I think I think it's an accurate depiction of events

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Yarrgh said:
Dear Uncle Uzzy please put an offer in for Sadio Mane. He might be a bit burnt out be heavymetalguggenheimpresse but he's had a long time to recover this summer and he also doesn't think that the rs should get the title..
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I can't see a world where that happens. They wouldn't sell to us. They were hoping for £150m last summer and Madrid just laughed them off.

They need to make a big sale, but I suspect will be surprised at the depressed market and what they can get for players.
 
catcherintherye said:
I can't see a world where that happens. They wouldn't sell to us. They were hoping for £150m last summer and Madrid just laughed them off.

They need to make a big sale, but I suspect will be surprised at the depressed market and what they can get for players.
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Oh I only posted that for giggles. Knowing our luck, he'd be crocked, if we made a huge offer and we'd have the Senegalese Siggurdson on the books for the next 5 years.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to ship him out this summer or next to get the cash flow rolling again. I would be surprised if it was to us though!
 

GwladysBlue said:
Just seen that Jamie Webster (think he does them BOSS nights) has released a cover of You’ll Never Walk Alone with the rise of it being for the NHS.

The desperation is real to make that song some sort of anthem for the pandemic.
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I hope he's made publish the daily amount his performance actually raises - bearing in mind the state of the music industry and the fact that he didnt write it, I can't see it being much.
 
GwladysBlue said:
Just seen that Jamie Webster (think he does them BOSS nights) has released a cover of You’ll Never Walk Alone with the rise of it being for the NHS.

The desperation is real to make that song some sort of anthem for the pandemic.
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The two chord playing talentless weapon, if he wasn't attached to the cult he would be where he belongs and at best annoying shoppers on lord street with poor david gray copies. Not only the voice of Munich songs he wants to be the voice of Covid 19 also, rat
 
Walken said:
The two chord playing talentless weapon, if he wasn't attached to the cult he would be where he belongs and at best annoying shoppers on lord street with poor david gray copies. Not only the voice of Munich songs he wants to be the voice of Covid 19 also, rat
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There's a truly awful busker who's usually in Liverpool One, Church Street or Whitechapel. He usually does Beatles, Kinks or Oasis. He makes all their songs sound exactly the same. And when he tries to reach the high notes... my God!!! Like a cat being bummed and strangled at the same time.
When the RS hordes are in town he tries YNWA. Confirming in my mind he's a total twunt.
 

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