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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
KKKlique!!!!!
The Equaliser
Player Valuation: £50m
Good piece. I especially like this bit:
"There is no reason why Suarez should not face criminal charges. When individual football clubs and fellow players – both black and white – endorse this kind of behaviour, they themselves become part of the problem because they stand in the way of the total eradication of racism from the sport.
“Their denial and appeasement reflects an abdication of their role as responsible players or employers.â€
Librarian
Player Valuation: £70m
See some of the comments left below the article;
Here's one;
Dude sicon67@hotmail.comi
13:56 27 Dec 2011
I bet Liverpool and Suarez would want a court case because they'd win hands down. The pathetic handling of this case by the FA has had the opposite effect. I will no longer give money to charities were there is anybody else except whites or animals benefiting.
The Equaliser
Player Valuation: £50m
Pics ?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I was talking to two RS yesterday, one kept spouting the same crap you see on RAWK, the other was genuinely embarrassed and thought that Suarez, Kenny and the Klub are making a complete mess of it.
Matt Damon
Player Valuation: £60m
Thats as interesting a comment as the "two polygraphs are better than one" one.
Del
Ric Wee fan club member 2014
I think threatening to pull out the FA Cup just because of the Suarez decision would be madness but it is not just because of the Suarez decision. The Suarez decision taken in isolation could just be seen as harsh. The problem is it is a culmination of years and years of bad treatment by the FA.
Kenny's up for the fight, Henry and Werner are up for the fight the only people who I have worries about are the fickle bastards who sit in the stands who sat on their hands whilst Hicks and Gillet tore the Club to pieces. As far as I am concerned bring it on because those corrupt incompetent bastards at the FA have had it coming to them for years.
Kenny is building an army and hopefully he won't need the conscientious objectors who proliferate places like the kemlyn and the main stand in such big numbers. The Club is making a stand and if you aren't up for it then hand in your season tickets and go and support someone else.
Kenny's up for the fight, Henry and Werner are up for the fight the only people who I have worries about are the fickle bastards who sit in the stands who sat on their hands whilst Hicks and Gillet tore the Club to pieces. As far as I am concerned bring it on because those corrupt incompetent bastards at the FA have had it coming to them for years.
Kenny is building an army and hopefully he won't need the conscientious objectors who proliferate places like the kemlyn and the main stand in such big numbers. The Club is making a stand and if you aren't up for it then hand in your season tickets and go and support someone else.
ScouseBlueBoy
Player Valuation: £15m
I refer you to a post I made earlier.
Matt Damon
Player Valuation: £60m
Tearing themselves apart lids. They'll be climbing up on roofs and unfurling banners next.
*munches on popcorn*
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Superb find.
Note just the right tone of militancy and elitism that separates out the fanatical cadre from the ordinary party members. This is great. It's like the Russian Revolution. They're now dividing between the reformist Mensheviks and the hardcore Bolsheviks.
You just know they'll start calling themselves 'Ultras' soon and unfurl banners about Palestine and G20 summits.
Matt Damon
Player Valuation: £60m
Superb find.
Note just the right tone of militancy and elitism that separates out the fanatical cadre from the ordinary party members. This is great. It's like the Russian Revolution. They're now dividing between the reformist Mensheviks and the hardcore Bolsheviks.
You just know they'll start calling themselves 'Ultras' soon and unfurl banners about Palestine and G20 summits.
The only thing Ultra about that lot is that they are an ULTRA bunch of melts.
Del
Ric Wee fan club member 2014
Brought a tear to my eye this one
A bad time for the lad and his family, he must be gutted at the way the FA have treated him. As fans we need to show him we support him and believe in his innocence. An easy way to do this is to send him a christmas card saying that we support him. When Rafael needed support we did something similar so let's do the same for Luis, go to Moonpig or a similar site and let him know we care
A bad time for the lad and his family, he must be gutted at the way the FA have treated him. As fans we need to show him we support him and believe in his innocence. An easy way to do this is to send him a christmas card saying that we support him. When Rafael needed support we did something similar so let's do the same for Luis, go to Moonpig or a similar site and let him know we care
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Del
Ric Wee fan club member 2014
Bit long but a good piece,Sorry if its already been posted
I don’t know much about South American culture and slang. I do know, however, a little about the mechanics of confrontation. Even at Sunday League level, I’ve had verbal spats and faced down opposition players from Everton Valley to East Los Angeles. As a fan, I’ve exchanged insults — and worse — with rival supporters from Trafford Park to the Tiber.
That’s just the football-related stuff. In real life, I’ve been in the middle of riots, squared up to police on picket lines and fought fascist bully-boys with bare knuckles.
What have I learnt? Not much, but enough to know that if I’m having a row with a black man and I make a reference to his colour, he’s going to think it’s a racist slur.
Luis Suárez, Liverpool Football Club and legions of their fans seem bewildered that the word negrito directed at a black man in the course of an argument would lead the individual concerned to assume that he had been racially abused.
Nobody would deny that the exchange between Suárez and Patrice Evra was acrimonious. Nobody would deny that the word negrito makes reference to blackness. So where are Suárez’s grounds for defence?
Well, the linguistic experts tell us that negrito is not a pejorative term. In fact, it appears that it is a friendly phrase in Hispanic culture. In one defence of the Liverpool striker, the writer talked of hearing a young, white woman with a dark complexion being referred to by the same term during a business transaction in Buenos Aires.
The problem with this is that Evra is not a young white woman, nor is he Hispanic. He is a short, black Frenchman, who, from his perspective, appears to have been called something akin to “little black boy†by someone he was having a row with. Suárez, quite clearly, was not being genial. He was winding up Evra on the pitch in the heat of a Liverpool v Manchester United game. No wonder the defender felt racially abused.
In September, a mere handful of Liverpool fans would have even heard the term negrito. Now they are experts in the semantics of Hispanic slang, describing in detail how it is a term of affection. Well, if Suárez was being affectionate to a United player during a game, the club should crack down on him. An eight-game ban? Surely that should be a sackable offence?
There are so many words in English, French and Spanish that can be used in a quarrel that referencing colour in any way seems at best ill-advised and at worst racist. Either way it’s bloody stupid.
Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain.
So this unedifying spat continues with Liverpool supporters — almost to a man — behind Suárez.
It is embarrassing. Is it not possible for Liverpool fans to have some empathy with Evra? To see that he felt racially abused? Seemingly not in the pathetically tribal world of football, where basic decencies are thrown out the window and the “my club right or wrong†ethic prevails.
If it were all a cultural misunderstanding, why didn’t Liverpool nip it in the bud in October? It may be me, but once the word negrito cropped up I winced. I may be culturally naive, but it sounded ugly. It would sound worse to a black man.
The club should have put out a statement that read something like this: “Patrice Evra has alleged that Luis Suárez made racist remarks to him during the game at Anfield. Suárez denies this emphatically but has come to realise that it was easy for Evra to misunderstand the nuances of the Spanish phrase used and believe that he had been racially abused. Suárez would like to apologise unreservedly for any upset caused and make clear that he is against racism and discrimination in all its forms. It was a poor choice of words in the context but any student of South American culture will explain it has no racial overtones. In future, Liverpool Football Club will issue its players with a set of guidelines as to what is acceptable and not acceptable.â€
Effectively, just say sorry, I didn’t mean that, I feel a bit stupid now.
Suárez is not a racist but he has been a fool. The trick is not to compound foolishness.
Instead, Liverpool put out a statement that threw the blame back at Evra, then gave us the risible sight of Suárez warming up at the DW Stadium before the Wigan Athletic match in a T-shirt supporting himself.
Pointing the finger at Evra is shameful. It can only harden the FA’s determination to make its point. And despite the more rabid conspiracy theorists, this is a battle that the FA would rather not have.
This situation — along with the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand incident — has brought the game into disrepute and exposed racial fault lines in football and society that most thought had been buried forever. One look at the abuse that Stan Collymore — a former Liverpool forward — has been receiving shows that. Sadly, it looks like decency has been buried instead.
I don’t know much about South American culture and slang. I do know, however, a little about the mechanics of confrontation. Even at Sunday League level, I’ve had verbal spats and faced down opposition players from Everton Valley to East Los Angeles. As a fan, I’ve exchanged insults — and worse — with rival supporters from Trafford Park to the Tiber.
That’s just the football-related stuff. In real life, I’ve been in the middle of riots, squared up to police on picket lines and fought fascist bully-boys with bare knuckles.
What have I learnt? Not much, but enough to know that if I’m having a row with a black man and I make a reference to his colour, he’s going to think it’s a racist slur.
Luis Suárez, Liverpool Football Club and legions of their fans seem bewildered that the word negrito directed at a black man in the course of an argument would lead the individual concerned to assume that he had been racially abused.
Nobody would deny that the exchange between Suárez and Patrice Evra was acrimonious. Nobody would deny that the word negrito makes reference to blackness. So where are Suárez’s grounds for defence?
Well, the linguistic experts tell us that negrito is not a pejorative term. In fact, it appears that it is a friendly phrase in Hispanic culture. In one defence of the Liverpool striker, the writer talked of hearing a young, white woman with a dark complexion being referred to by the same term during a business transaction in Buenos Aires.
The problem with this is that Evra is not a young white woman, nor is he Hispanic. He is a short, black Frenchman, who, from his perspective, appears to have been called something akin to “little black boy†by someone he was having a row with. Suárez, quite clearly, was not being genial. He was winding up Evra on the pitch in the heat of a Liverpool v Manchester United game. No wonder the defender felt racially abused.
In September, a mere handful of Liverpool fans would have even heard the term negrito. Now they are experts in the semantics of Hispanic slang, describing in detail how it is a term of affection. Well, if Suárez was being affectionate to a United player during a game, the club should crack down on him. An eight-game ban? Surely that should be a sackable offence?
There are so many words in English, French and Spanish that can be used in a quarrel that referencing colour in any way seems at best ill-advised and at worst racist. Either way it’s bloody stupid.
Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain.
So this unedifying spat continues with Liverpool supporters — almost to a man — behind Suárez.
It is embarrassing. Is it not possible for Liverpool fans to have some empathy with Evra? To see that he felt racially abused? Seemingly not in the pathetically tribal world of football, where basic decencies are thrown out the window and the “my club right or wrong†ethic prevails.
If it were all a cultural misunderstanding, why didn’t Liverpool nip it in the bud in October? It may be me, but once the word negrito cropped up I winced. I may be culturally naive, but it sounded ugly. It would sound worse to a black man.
The club should have put out a statement that read something like this: “Patrice Evra has alleged that Luis Suárez made racist remarks to him during the game at Anfield. Suárez denies this emphatically but has come to realise that it was easy for Evra to misunderstand the nuances of the Spanish phrase used and believe that he had been racially abused. Suárez would like to apologise unreservedly for any upset caused and make clear that he is against racism and discrimination in all its forms. It was a poor choice of words in the context but any student of South American culture will explain it has no racial overtones. In future, Liverpool Football Club will issue its players with a set of guidelines as to what is acceptable and not acceptable.â€
Effectively, just say sorry, I didn’t mean that, I feel a bit stupid now.
Suárez is not a racist but he has been a fool. The trick is not to compound foolishness.
Instead, Liverpool put out a statement that threw the blame back at Evra, then gave us the risible sight of Suárez warming up at the DW Stadium before the Wigan Athletic match in a T-shirt supporting himself.
Pointing the finger at Evra is shameful. It can only harden the FA’s determination to make its point. And despite the more rabid conspiracy theorists, this is a battle that the FA would rather not have.
This situation — along with the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand incident — has brought the game into disrepute and exposed racial fault lines in football and society that most thought had been buried forever. One look at the abuse that Stan Collymore — a former Liverpool forward — has been receiving shows that. Sadly, it looks like decency has been buried instead.
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