deipnosophist
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Poor, poor Liverpool FC
It's a beaut shower on a shower of beauts
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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"
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It's a beaut shower on a shower of beauts
They're a peculiar beast, and a difficult one to try and analyse. So that's precisely what I'm gonna try and do.
On the face of it - a team coming from seventh to win a Premier League title would be something celebrated by the wider footballing world. It's tedious to watch the same players pass it on from each other and receive the adulation that comes with it. So by default humans welcome some change in their life.
The problem being for them is that the neutral fan almost to a man despises them and what they stand for. The reasons are what we already know as many years suffering as their rivals but perversely it's their best player who has almost single handedly being that agent of change in public perception that has made them so universally disliked. For all the reasons I don't need to go over but it's safe to say that their carefully engineered public mask slipped somewhat, and the unprepared public were subject to the hideous, bitter, one eyed myopic kopite behind it that we are very well aware of.
Humility is a trait that is celebrated in England. The best champions do it with integrity and by being the best and not resorting to having to cheat to prove it. Self deprecation goes a long way in facilitating positive thoughts about those who prosper.
A big problem is that your average kopite follows the club for reasons of self reflecting glory. It attracts a certain type of fan that has to rely on the perceived success of the club they follow to give them the identity they crave, rather than genuinely have.
So at the merest hint of success the full gloating parade comes out. Not content with the prospect of their chosen club being successful the average kopite has to use it as a vehicle to make them feel superior to others by their belonging. Out come the pre prepared buses (Athens 2007), the ruffling of Brian Laws hair by Aldridge despite the significance of the replayed game and my personal favourite - the Premier League Champions 2013/14 t shirts readily being pushed around the city prior to the beautiful Chelsea capitulation.
It's so, so similar to religious fundamentalism in that there's one myopic point of view and agreed path of glory and low and behold anyone who speaks out against it. The healthy leveller of criticism and debate is met with hostility and any method is used to silence the perceived dissenters, including stooping so low to making fictitious accounts of spitting on a monument outside their stadium for the dead. Or as we see - the twitter army putting pressure/death threats on those in the media trying to speak out on negative things the club or it's followers are doing. Look at the disgraceful displacement of families around the ground to enable the extension of their stadium. I've seen very few media pieces for an unethical process that deserved widespread condemnation.
As a safeguard to keep the general public on the party line there is an unprecedented amount of ex players in the media offering key commentary on the national game, with always a sympathetic slant towards their ex employers. This is not a conspiracy as they may level at others, but a given fact, the numbers and percentage of their ex players outstrip any other club - never mind one that's not won been the best team in their country for nearly a quarter of a century.
You and I live with and note the hypocrisy and bitterness (YES! actual substantiated bitterness!) of them on a day to day basis but there needs to be a continuation of those with media standing speaking out. They're a foul institution and as such should be called on it until the point where they develop a collective awareness that facilitates positive change.
So, in summary - LOL @ Stevie's slip and Palace out-Istanbulling you.
On the face of it - a team coming from seventh to win a Premier League title would be something celebrated by the wider footballing world. It's tedious to watch the same players pass it on from each other and receive the adulation that comes with it. So by default humans welcome some change in their life.
The problem being for them is that the neutral fan almost to a man despises them and what they stand for. The reasons are what we already know as many years suffering as their rivals but perversely it's their best player who has almost single handedly being that agent of change in public perception that has made them so universally disliked. For all the reasons I don't need to go over but it's safe to say that their carefully engineered public mask slipped somewhat, and the unprepared public were subject to the hideous, bitter, one eyed myopic kopite behind it that we are very well aware of.
Humility is a trait that is celebrated in England. The best champions do it with integrity and by being the best and not resorting to having to cheat to prove it. Self deprecation goes a long way in facilitating positive thoughts about those who prosper.
A big problem is that your average kopite follows the club for reasons of self reflecting glory. It attracts a certain type of fan that has to rely on the perceived success of the club they follow to give them the identity they crave, rather than genuinely have.
So at the merest hint of success the full gloating parade comes out. Not content with the prospect of their chosen club being successful the average kopite has to use it as a vehicle to make them feel superior to others by their belonging. Out come the pre prepared buses (Athens 2007), the ruffling of Brian Laws hair by Aldridge despite the significance of the replayed game and my personal favourite - the Premier League Champions 2013/14 t shirts readily being pushed around the city prior to the beautiful Chelsea capitulation.
It's so, so similar to religious fundamentalism in that there's one myopic point of view and agreed path of glory and low and behold anyone who speaks out against it. The healthy leveller of criticism and debate is met with hostility and any method is used to silence the perceived dissenters, including stooping so low to making fictitious accounts of spitting on a monument outside their stadium for the dead. Or as we see - the twitter army putting pressure/death threats on those in the media trying to speak out on negative things the club or it's followers are doing. Look at the disgraceful displacement of families around the ground to enable the extension of their stadium. I've seen very few media pieces for an unethical process that deserved widespread condemnation.
As a safeguard to keep the general public on the party line there is an unprecedented amount of ex players in the media offering key commentary on the national game, with always a sympathetic slant towards their ex employers. This is not a conspiracy as they may level at others, but a given fact, the numbers and percentage of their ex players outstrip any other club - never mind one that's not won been the best team in their country for nearly a quarter of a century.
You and I live with and note the hypocrisy and bitterness (YES! actual substantiated bitterness!) of them on a day to day basis but there needs to be a continuation of those with media standing speaking out. They're a foul institution and as such should be called on it until the point where they develop a collective awareness that facilitates positive change.
So, in summary - LOL @ Stevie's slip and Palace out-Istanbulling you.
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detroiturk15
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Good post Chico.
I can't find the right net spend chart, someone in another forum thinks Liverpool have a shoestring budget again.
I can't find the right net spend chart, someone in another forum thinks Liverpool have a shoestring budget again.
Again it's linked in to the misinformation and propaganda their ex bellend employees in the media spread.
They're trying to paint themselves as relative paupers compared to namely Chelsea, City and United. Yet the statistics show that they have spent £200m in the past couple of years and over the entire period of the Premier League - a competition they have not won - they are third top spenders.
So watch and see the collective narcissism in them now will manifest itself in the next couple of days shouting about how great it is to qualify for the Champions League against the odds, when the reality is that they should have been finishing top three at least (and more) during the past twenty odd years based on the resources available to them. Which they've duly wasted.
They had this title in the bag up until the moment their cringeworthy ultra wannabes starting unveiling MAKE US DREAM and #wegoagain banners over the walls of Melwood like creepy stalkers in the past two weeks.
In their classless way they then decided to parade a player before a key Chelsea game who controversially put them through to a Champions League final at the expenses of the opposition that day by cheating them out of it with a "ghost goal".
Class and dignity eh?
It would seem that messrs Mourinho and Karma could proceed with a policy of inaction no more.
And how we laughed!
They're trying to paint themselves as relative paupers compared to namely Chelsea, City and United. Yet the statistics show that they have spent £200m in the past couple of years and over the entire period of the Premier League - a competition they have not won - they are third top spenders.
So watch and see the collective narcissism in them now will manifest itself in the next couple of days shouting about how great it is to qualify for the Champions League against the odds, when the reality is that they should have been finishing top three at least (and more) during the past twenty odd years based on the resources available to them. Which they've duly wasted.
They had this title in the bag up until the moment their cringeworthy ultra wannabes starting unveiling MAKE US DREAM and #wegoagain banners over the walls of Melwood like creepy stalkers in the past two weeks.
In their classless way they then decided to parade a player before a key Chelsea game who controversially put them through to a Champions League final at the expenses of the opposition that day by cheating them out of it with a "ghost goal".
Class and dignity eh?
It would seem that messrs Mourinho and Karma could proceed with a policy of inaction no more.
And how we laughed!
To push my tired analogy further - the symbolism of The Miracle Of Istanbul being demeaned by Crystal Palace ruining St Stevie's planned canonising is beautiful to behold.
19.30pm 3rd May 2014
I switched off at 0-1
You'll just have to get the DVD.
I actually become a kenwright fan if the club released a dvd of the rs against palace, pure popcorn
Should you be arsed, there's some words here on Liverpool. Which is basically the guff I wrote above added to some photos.
http://www.grandoldteam.com/news/fans-view/2014/may/06/the-miracle-of-selhurst-park
http://www.grandoldteam.com/news/fans-view/2014/may/06/the-miracle-of-selhurst-park
Elong
The fire rises
First.
17 hour day at work today...too busy to even look...and frankly too preoccupied to remember they played today.
Drawing after being up 3-0...salt on the wound. Hilarious...wish I'd have been around to enjoy it today!
Drawing after being up 3-0...salt on the wound. Hilarious...wish I'd have been around to enjoy it today!
deipnosophist
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that is a VERY perspicuous analysis Chico. You have hit a sociological nail on the head here. They are indeed a 'foul institution'. I cannot recall exactly which other club's fan said it but it went " they come from the same city, they speak the same accent, but how come Everton and Liverpool supporters are so different?"
PS : hate to be finicky, but it's self deprecation
that is a VERY perspicuous analysis Chico. You have hit a sociological nail on the head here. They are indeed a 'foul institution'. I cannot recall exactly which other club's fan said it but it went " they come from the same city, they speak the same accent, but how come Everton and Liverpool supporters are so different?"
PS : hate to be finicky, but it's self deprecation
Another interesting aspect of the 7th to 1st usually being something we'd all be cheering on, is the fact that we are hoping that City or Chelsea win...and frankly, they represent everything that is wrong with the game financially.
We hate them for buying titles...just not as much as them lot and their cult followers.
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