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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"
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toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
does he think he's the white Malcolm X?
detroiturk15
Player Valuation: £2.5m
The problem re: the Rodgers armband is that it will likely keep happening. This year it was "for the 25th anniversary!". Next time they're in the running it will be "Win it for the 96 in their XX anniversary!". And so on.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
Suarez for I'm a Celebrity...?lol
That would be hilarious seeing as he can't speak a word of English
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
Just like Suarez then
Great article by Matthew Syed, Sports Columnist of the Year in today's Times regarding Suarez et al. Have edited a bit of it here, then link for full article at bottom (don't know if you need to subscribe to access, but anyway)
"It is the idea that moral boundaries are often given to us by our peers, our colleagues, our parents, those close to us. These are the people who check our excesses, our tendency to veer into unacceptable territory, who help us to navigate in a world populated by other people.
They are the ones who caution us, who ridicule us, who teach us, who sometimes shout at us when we are going too far. These are the people who show their love not with unconditional support but with chastisement. Without these correctives, these critiques, these educational dialogues that help us to recognise the boundaries of acceptable behaviour, we are pretty much lost, whether in childhood or in the equally complex terrain of adulthood.
All of which brings me to Luis Suárez. It is precisely because Suárez is so lavishly indulged by those around him that he is unable to perceive the boundaries of proper behaviour; it is precisely because his crimes are legitimated by his peers that he is incapable of seeing the need to reform.
How is the player supposed to confess to his crime while those around him are colluding in the fantasy that he didn’t commit one?
Some have pointed out that Sir Alex Ferguson also defended his players publicly, but the difference is that the Scot chastised his players in private. Indeed, boundaries were probably more tightly enforced at Old Trafford than anywhere else. The players soon heard about it if they stepped out of line, in whatever way. Public support from Ferguson was about creating a siege mentality; it had nothing to do with the social realities within the training ground. The problem for Suárez is that he is being indulged both publicly and privately. It is a united chorus of sycophancy.
At Liverpool under Kenny Dalglish, Suárez was given the same dangerous latitude. After Suárez had racially abused Patrice Evra, the manager told the entire team to don T-shirts in support of the Uruguayan. Sources suggested that the Liverpool manager was four-square behind his star man privately, too, making the calculation that he needed to “keep him onside”. The consequence was inescapable: a further detachment from reality.
Suárez needs access to these social checks, too. When he bites someone, he needs to be told that it is wrong by those around him. When he racially abuses someone, he must be chastised. This is not the solution, but it is the necessary starting point for any rehabilitation worthy of the name. Without it, he will remain in a parallel universe where biting someone is synonymous with falling on to their shoulder, teeth first.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/columnists/matthewsyed/article4133720.ece
"It is the idea that moral boundaries are often given to us by our peers, our colleagues, our parents, those close to us. These are the people who check our excesses, our tendency to veer into unacceptable territory, who help us to navigate in a world populated by other people.
They are the ones who caution us, who ridicule us, who teach us, who sometimes shout at us when we are going too far. These are the people who show their love not with unconditional support but with chastisement. Without these correctives, these critiques, these educational dialogues that help us to recognise the boundaries of acceptable behaviour, we are pretty much lost, whether in childhood or in the equally complex terrain of adulthood.
All of which brings me to Luis Suárez. It is precisely because Suárez is so lavishly indulged by those around him that he is unable to perceive the boundaries of proper behaviour; it is precisely because his crimes are legitimated by his peers that he is incapable of seeing the need to reform.
How is the player supposed to confess to his crime while those around him are colluding in the fantasy that he didn’t commit one?
Some have pointed out that Sir Alex Ferguson also defended his players publicly, but the difference is that the Scot chastised his players in private. Indeed, boundaries were probably more tightly enforced at Old Trafford than anywhere else. The players soon heard about it if they stepped out of line, in whatever way. Public support from Ferguson was about creating a siege mentality; it had nothing to do with the social realities within the training ground. The problem for Suárez is that he is being indulged both publicly and privately. It is a united chorus of sycophancy.
At Liverpool under Kenny Dalglish, Suárez was given the same dangerous latitude. After Suárez had racially abused Patrice Evra, the manager told the entire team to don T-shirts in support of the Uruguayan. Sources suggested that the Liverpool manager was four-square behind his star man privately, too, making the calculation that he needed to “keep him onside”. The consequence was inescapable: a further detachment from reality.
Suárez needs access to these social checks, too. When he bites someone, he needs to be told that it is wrong by those around him. When he racially abuses someone, he must be chastised. This is not the solution, but it is the necessary starting point for any rehabilitation worthy of the name. Without it, he will remain in a parallel universe where biting someone is synonymous with falling on to their shoulder, teeth first.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/columnists/matthewsyed/article4133720.ece
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Haha! That real ffs??
marty mcfly
Player Valuation: £40m
Bollocks.
He has psychological issue that when he snaps he bites, some people lash out out with fists, others verbally, others with their feet. He's a biter and always will be.
It's something in him that he was born with or has developed from childhood probably early childhood and although pressure can help to push that nature into the background it will always be there.
People can't really be rehabilitated. They can just learn to hide it better.
He has psychological issue that when he snaps he bites, some people lash out out with fists, others verbally, others with their feet. He's a biter and always will be.
It's something in him that he was born with or has developed from childhood probably early childhood and although pressure can help to push that nature into the background it will always be there.
People can't really be rehabilitated. They can just learn to hide it better.
Tommy Chong
Player Valuation: £60m
Oh Mario! Always so full of shenanigans!
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
with his gramdma saying "they've thrown him out of the world cup like he's a dog" you would have to raise questions of his upbringing.
he was chucked out like a dog because he acted like a dog for starters. i seriously don't understand how he's become more of a hero in uruguay for rightly being banned from the WC for an inhumane act instead of the for the 2 goals he scored against england.
i don't understand their logic.
ScouseBlueBoy
Player Valuation: £15m
Anyway - I am sick and tired of the persistent berating of Steven Gerrard on here.
His second half performance in Istanbul saved many innocent lives.
He should be Knighted.
His second half performance in Istanbul saved many innocent lives.
He should be Knighted.
Ashtonian
Banned on request
See have said this before but i just can't get my head around that club. And the fans don't seem to see it, but everyone outside the club seems to agree.
they have bent over backwards for a player that has been banned for 5 consecutive seasons so far. 5! 3 of those are for the same offence, despite my personal opinion he is doing that to engineer a move away from Anfield / ajax when he does do that. But the guy clearly doesn't want to stay if a proper club comes in for him, he has shown that to the fans and yet they sing his name.
See it always seems to come down to the Ferguson argument with them. Oh he punched people and you stood by him, its the same thing. Its not, nothing like it, because;
. Ferguson up until that point had given us 6 seasons (broken, thanks to peter johnson) of service for the club. He had fought for the team, he had become part of the fabric (sorry!) he was an evertonian through and through. so yeah, when frustrations got the best of him we didn't call for his head. FFS he is still at the club now and probably will be for a long time, because he is part of our club. I didn't see many people acting the same about Ferguson as they are doing with Ratboy over there, but i suppose its easy to throw that around as it is in the past (a kopite in the past, shocking!).Point is suarez has no loyalty to the club and has tried to jump ship already, ferguson is a part of the club and earned a little bit of leeway with the fans, because he became a legend on the pitch when we had nothing else to cheer for.
I have said it before but i just don't get them, Suarez is a proven cheat, liar, immature, disloyal and unreliable. Yet they support him.
He has no affliction with them lot yet they treat him as a legend still and he can do no wrong. So when he leaves for better things ala mascherano / alonso and they are left dead still again they will sing his name long afterwards
they have bent over backwards for a player that has been banned for 5 consecutive seasons so far. 5! 3 of those are for the same offence, despite my personal opinion he is doing that to engineer a move away from Anfield / ajax when he does do that. But the guy clearly doesn't want to stay if a proper club comes in for him, he has shown that to the fans and yet they sing his name.
See it always seems to come down to the Ferguson argument with them. Oh he punched people and you stood by him, its the same thing. Its not, nothing like it, because;
. Ferguson up until that point had given us 6 seasons (broken, thanks to peter johnson) of service for the club. He had fought for the team, he had become part of the fabric (sorry!) he was an evertonian through and through. so yeah, when frustrations got the best of him we didn't call for his head. FFS he is still at the club now and probably will be for a long time, because he is part of our club. I didn't see many people acting the same about Ferguson as they are doing with Ratboy over there, but i suppose its easy to throw that around as it is in the past (a kopite in the past, shocking!).Point is suarez has no loyalty to the club and has tried to jump ship already, ferguson is a part of the club and earned a little bit of leeway with the fans, because he became a legend on the pitch when we had nothing else to cheer for.
I have said it before but i just don't get them, Suarez is a proven cheat, liar, immature, disloyal and unreliable. Yet they support him.
He has no affliction with them lot yet they treat him as a legend still and he can do no wrong. So when he leaves for better things ala mascherano / alonso and they are left dead still again they will sing his name long afterwards
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