I'm not saying he would not have won loads of titles at Manu. Maybe I would have with such a well drilled team. But do you think that Cantona made that say extra 10% that won Manu their first title in 26 years? That is what I'm getting at. That class act that makes all the difference to whether you win the title or not. And I don't think that Gerrard, don't get me wrong a good player, would have been the player that added that extra bit to a good team to make them win the title.
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I'm not saying he would not have won loads of titles at Manu. Maybe I would have with such a well drilled team. But do you think that Cantona made that say extra 10% that won Manu their first title in 26 years? That is what I'm getting at. That class act that makes all the difference to whether you win the title or not. And I don't think that Gerrard, don't get me wrong a good player, would have been the player that added that extra bit to a good team to make them win the title.
catcherintherye
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I am really not sure about that. He wouldn't have ever been the "main man" as he's simply not good enough to have a top team built around him. He also wouldn't have played second fiddle effectively.
If you take Wayne Rooney for example, one of the things that makes him top draw is his ability to do a variety of jobs effectively for the good of the team. That's one of many reasons why he is a far superior player to Gerrard and his trophy cabinet reflects that.
ToffeeDoug
Player Valuation: £35m
Nobody other than himself believes he should be a guaranteed starter capable of playing to the standard he once did...deluded and vain; he is at the end of an illustrious career yet still wanted to play on at the expense of new younger talent...selfish and vain; he is clearly motivated by money and will now hawk himself around to the highest bidder....greedy.
Yet somehow, all his sycophantic worshippers have made it out to be Liverpool's fault for "not doing enough to keep him". Pah.
By comparison, Paul Scholes, who didn't have an agent, took about 30 seconds to sign the contract Man Utd put in front of him, didn't want to play for anyone else after his long career and answered the emergency call to come out of retirement. And he wasn't associated with armed robbers. Now, that was a role model.
Yes mate. And they are also 'blaming' the dross he had to play alongside for not winning the title. 'If only we could have bought .....to make the team better but they wouldn't spend the money'.
ToffeeDoug
Player Valuation: £35m
And for all the time they remain in the League Cup, FA Cup and Europa League, all we will be hearing is turdo guff like "how wonderful it would be if he could sign off with a trophy". And it will be someone's else fault if they don't.
The Cowboy
Player Valuation: £60m
I must be reading the wrong media outlets but I've not seen anything about Liverpool fans blaming the club for not keeping him. Or about him demanding to be guaranteed starter. Or about him playing at the expense of younger talent. The MLS pay day I will grant you.
To me, this is the story of a player who has peaked and is in decline, the club have recognised that and the player has quickly recognised he's surplus to requirements, and has shipped out.
ToffeeDoug
Player Valuation: £35m
Carragher 'wrote' an article in the Mail saying Liverpool hadn't done enough to keep him. I saw a quote from the great man himself saying the decision to leave 'was the toughest decision of his career blah blah blah' but the key aspect was no longer being a guaranteed starter for the team.
The Cowboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Big difference between acknowledging you're no longer a guaranteed starter, and demanding to be a guaranteed starter or you walk.
As for Carra, I care little what that eunuch says.
Fans know f-all squared and Liverpool fans know less than most. Gerrard has been a fraud for a number of years (barring Derby matches when he gives the 100% he ought to be giving almost every other game and he has been sensational in Derby matches let's be honest). As I said fans get all sentimental and maudlin about "their team's players" - think Alan Ball, Bob Latchford, Big Nev, Big Dunc, Tim Cahill (it was time for Tim and Dunc to move on damn it so get over it) - especially the Kopites. Yes he was the heartbeat of that team (because they allowed him to be so essential) but his contribution throughout the past few seasons has diminished no end. Not saying he wasn't decent but he was far from world-class. Mostly the fans hark back to Istanbul and all the Derby wins at his hands and think of him in those halycon days and the Olympiakos epic goal / Cup final heroics which definitely buys you time in the sentimental view of the fan - for every one of those there was another heroic starfish penalty award (which naturally they also loved) or a two footed lunge at a Naysmith or similar. We Evertonians kept willing Timmy to find the old heroic Timmy who scored vital goals and put himself about but the fact of the matter was he was well shot by the time he left us (and yeah, I know, he's found a second wind which does happen with a transfer - perhaps his new club role allows him to do that). And, if you need an even more clear cut example of time to move on ladies and gentlemen I give you Philip John Neville.
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He was a better player than Keane. Keane was extremely limited and fantastic at what he could do.
And this if from a Man Utd supporter.
"I would not like to think that Saido Berahino is their prime target as a striker," he (Phil Thompson) told Sky Sports.
"Yes, Liverpool do need a striker with injuries to Daniel Sturridge and the difficulties that Rickie Lambert and Mario Balotelli have had at the football club.
"Brendan Rodgers likes his forwards to have pace. You see Raheem Sterling currently playing as an out-and-out centre forward, and he has done very well, but maybe he does not possess the finishing quality of Berahino.
"I think that Liverpool need someone who is a bit more established and who has played at a higher level like Gonzalo Higuain or Ezequiel Lavezzi, somebody of that ilk to come in following the news about Steven Gerrard’s departure,” he added.
"For me, I would not go for Berahino, although I can see the advantages of having him, but I tell you what, he has to change his attitude."
They will always have their heads up their backsides believing that top players want to come to Anfield.
And as far as Berahino goes, social worker Mr Clever would work his 'I'll change Balotelli' magic on Berahino.
"Yes, Liverpool do need a striker with injuries to Daniel Sturridge and the difficulties that Rickie Lambert and Mario Balotelli have had at the football club.
"Brendan Rodgers likes his forwards to have pace. You see Raheem Sterling currently playing as an out-and-out centre forward, and he has done very well, but maybe he does not possess the finishing quality of Berahino.
"I think that Liverpool need someone who is a bit more established and who has played at a higher level like Gonzalo Higuain or Ezequiel Lavezzi, somebody of that ilk to come in following the news about Steven Gerrard’s departure,” he added.
"For me, I would not go for Berahino, although I can see the advantages of having him, but I tell you what, he has to change his attitude."
They will always have their heads up their backsides believing that top players want to come to Anfield.
And as far as Berahino goes, social worker Mr Clever would work his 'I'll change Balotelli' magic on Berahino.
ToffeeDoug
Player Valuation: £35m
"I would not like to think"..........what sort of chuffing screwed up English is Big Nose spouting there?
Isn't Berahino due for a spell soon at her majesty's pleasure?
Isn't Berahino due for a spell soon at her majesty's pleasure?
The Cowboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Torres? Was he top bracket when he joined, or a prospect?
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