ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"
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Baines' left foot
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Woolly Blue
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*Googles converse ...
Hmm, so much angst about a pair of pumps
*scratches head
catcherintherye
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"We're gonna play dat rock starrrr fussball lad...weev got dat Klopp lad...I cant believe we got dat Klopp lad...all udder clubs are envyuss of uz lad"
They are getting increasingly vicious at people telling them they don't care that they've got Klopp. For the sake of a few days he has given them the feeling they matter again, and they are important. As usual with them it's not built on any feelings of love, or any achievement (they long since gave up on winning anything meaningful) but on gloating and annoying those around them.
They genuinely believe the world has stopped turning and they whole footballing world is focussed upon them. Being mocked by them is one thing. I have been hounded by them when they won FA Cups, leagues and European cups.
Having them mock me for because they've signed someone who won the third/4th best league in Europe at the time, when they league strengthened fell away to the point where they were relegation candidates once the league strengthened is as bewildering as it is funny. The world is completely not bothered about them and their achievement of appointing a manager.
It really has got to the point where I don't hate them anymore. I don't fear them, it is just pity. I wonder if this is what it was like for them with us in the 90's?
Whistlin' Dixie
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Zatara
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I think the Gerrard/Carragher combo really helped them so much over such a long period of time the shock of having no real "icon" or decent local player in their squad has really let the air out of their balloon.
Soon it will hit home that we have Ross Barkley and several other local lads on the conveyor belt who are highly rated + supplemented by truly top notch potential in Stones,Lukaku,Deulofeu and all the others in the 18-25 age bracket.
Our squad has an enormous amount of potential....and they have Klopp.
The reality of the change in dynamic is whats driving them mad.
Imagine all those years of watching Gerrard for England and now seeing Barkley....
Soon it will hit home that we have Ross Barkley and several other local lads on the conveyor belt who are highly rated + supplemented by truly top notch potential in Stones,Lukaku,Deulofeu and all the others in the 18-25 age bracket.
Our squad has an enormous amount of potential....and they have Klopp.
The reality of the change in dynamic is whats driving them mad.
Imagine all those years of watching Gerrard for England and now seeing Barkley....
davek
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I said it all last week: if they'd got Ancelotti that would be a concern - the feller is proven quality and a success in different leagues; this Klopp appointment surprised me, but essentially it's a circus sideshow. The feller might be a success - far likelier though is he'll struggle. I'm very dubious of his final season at Dortmund and the fact he has zero experience outside the Bundesliga. No one can detract from his two titles there, but it really isn't the level of competition of the PL.
He's bound to be more successful if given time and cash than Rodgers, but that's a very low bar that even Kenny Napoleon Bonaparte Dalglish achieved prior to Rodgers.
catcherintherye
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Yes you've definitely hit onto something there. Probably more so than Evertonian's they want idols. Or at least they want idols who they feel the rest of the world admires/fears/cares about.
I think we generally pick icons without ever really worrying what the outside world thought. We knew lots of people hated Ferguson yet it didn't bother us in the slightest.
They are obsessed with being perceived as a big club. That's bad when you are a big club, but when you're not it's nauseating.
Their lack of youth is going to increasingly annoy them. I have seen increasing number of stupid posts about Barkley on RAWK. I can see the same with Stones soon. It will grate on them that we have got good young players. Especially as this is supposed to be their secret plan to get back to being the best. When things annoy them the reaction is normally typical and straightforward. They will start lashing out and being aggressive and stupid, making a show of themselves trying to argue black is white.
I would advise everyone to sit back and enjoy it. Enjoy it when people increasingly talk about Barkley being the next Steven Gerrard, while Rooney is viewed as a cut above both and Englands greatest ever goalscorer/player. Try to even avoid engaging, they will be hilarious enough to watch themselves as their heroes mediocrity will be played out in the neutral elements of the media (not the bits they've got in their pockets).
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All this grinning, in days gone by the 1 that walked around grinning all the time was regarded to be the Village Idiot.
How long before the photoshop guys that used to do the Brendan Wreath Laying stuff have Klopp shopped into various circumstances of misfortune with that grin on his face.
*when it starts to happen remember who's idea it was.
catcherintherye
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Well yes. A lot of Kopites I speak seem to saying they'd have preferred Klopp because "he's nuts" compared to Ancelotti and they can "build a cult of the manager". What sort of human wants to build a cult in the first place I don't know. Aside from that, cult heroes are not anointed they become organically from winning things. I hate Shankley but it's hard to begrudge his role as a cult leader. You can't create that aura though it is hard earned. A pair of converse a wacky hair transplant and a pair of converse certainly can't.
What this whole episode shows though is just how low Liverpool has sunk. They'd rather win arguments amongst international "fans" on twitter than win trophies. They've become the sort of people who go "I'm mental I am" when you know they are boring and dull. They are the annoying attention seeking kid nobody likes at school who has convinced themselves is popular and only bullies dislike.
Ferguson summed them up best when he said they turned up to Wembley in stupid white suits while Manchester United went home with the trophy. This Klopp appointment seems to be a bit like that. They could have had a successful, world class manager like Ancelotti but ultimately he is just too boring for them. The man has too much dignity, self respect and decency to ever fit in there.
They don't want to win. They want to play out their own therapy about not being relevant anymore. I think for a lot of them they enjoyed not winning the league and all the drama more than most fans enjoy winning the thing as it fills their need for attention. When they start eulogising about that season where they won nothing most of it seems to centre around "how everyone feared us". "How we won everyone's respect." "How the bitters cried when we beat them 4-0". "How the Mancs were in pain when we beat them". One of them was even going on about how they were "the best team in Europe and the talk of the continent". I couldn't face it to tell him that they finished below a side that got knocked out of the group stage of the champions league. The truth is really just too painful for most of them.
What got me though was that very little of their enjoyment of the season was about nearly winning the league. It was about how they could basically mock others around them. Most Evertonians don't remember winning the Cup in 95, or the league in 87 by remembering how we got to humiliate and tease rival fans.
The Klopp appointment basically plays into that dialectic perfectly. They just want people to notice them again. They could have had a winner but they'd rather have a "mental character" who'll make them laugh. It's sad how far they've fallen.
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That lot will say it's an infectious grin, with the state of his teeth I don't doubt that 1 bit.
mythbuster
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All this grinning, in days gone by the 1 that walked around grinning all the time was regarded to be the Village Idiot.
How long before the photoshop guys that used to do the Brendan Wreath Laying stuff have Klopp shopped into various circumstances of misfortune with that grin on his face.
*when it starts to happen remember who's idea it was.
Seen this yesterday. I honestly think the feller might end up cracking up. He's already made comments about not expecting the attention he has had. Obviously, that's down to the 'mejia' a fair bit, but this sort of thing, along with the pics of him having a pint in town etc, show the feller just likes to live a normal life and be out and about as much as possible. He'd have more chance of that in London. On Merseyside however, that cult will have him tearing his hair out and becoming a recluse by xmas.
He was apparently house hunting in Formby when that pic was taken. He seems a very down to earth guy, as that's not one of the areas (of Formby) you'd be expecting him to look for a house in. he's gonna be shocked when the kopites treat him like a demigod rather than the down to earth feller he is.
davek
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The words 'Look At Me" should be emblazoned on their badge. They're a world away from the glory days of the 70s and 80s.
I have no idea if Klopp can get them back as serious PL contenders - I think not - but it's a massive road back for them. In fact, looking at them from a historical perspective, it's clear now that they are a club that crammed almost all their major success into 17 years (73-90). Prior to that point and after it (105 years out of 123) they were non-descript also rans or (lately) picking up the odd trophy the elite of English football weren't fiercely intent on securing (FA Cup, LC, Uefa Cup).
It's really no wonder now that all they have left is to scream and jump up and down and hope someone mentions them in passing.
davek
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They spooked their own team two season's back and lost them the league with all their premature triumphalism. They'll sicken this feller Klopp. He'll be repulsed by their cultish intensity.
I do feel sorry for him a bit. Imagine having that psychotic crew looking in your bins and taking selfies with you when you're on the bog trying to have a turkish delight in peace.
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