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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Brilliantly put, mate! Agree, any support I show is entirely on behalf of the families and friends who were directly affected, not the thousands of bellends with a victim complex.

I'll tell you what, I'll bet those who were bereaved aren't too happy about it being brought up as a big production number every year to wring the sympathy, and cement them as 'everyone's favourite other club'. If it was me, I think I'd like to be allowed to grieve in peace in my own time and move on with my life, not be used as a sympathy bargaining chip...

The real truth comes out when you see that the Bradford Fire has been quietly forgotten by everyone. In a way that's a shame, but in another way I don't imagine the families miss having those horrific pictures trotted out every year to prove they are 'the best fans in Yorkshire'

Still makes the RS-loving media utterly shameful for burying one and perpetuating the other though. Truly shameful.

Thanks mate, probably a bit harshly put like. However pretending to be an opposing teams fan to stir up trouble is one thing. Coming on board to (at best) simplify an issue and minimise our support and at worst outright lie is ridiculous. However I think it crosses the line when you are doing it about something like the HJC and those who were lost. Where is the sense of decency in that? If he thinks Evertonians waved the Sun, then come on here as an LFC fan and be open with it. However don't try to give credit to the lie by pretending to be an Evertonian. It's awful behaviour on a sensitive subject area.

In honesty I think the families have rightly appreciated and welcomed the support of (both ) football clubs of the City. Most LFC fans are sound about this. I do think there is a minority of LFC fans though, often populated on blogs like RAWK who want to re-write history and make it an LFC only event. I think this flies in the face of what the families wanted, and while they would never say so publically it would disappoint them enormously. I know for a fact the level of support they got across the city meant an enormous amount to them. Women like Margeret Apsinal have more integrity in their little finger than the police force, government and frankly sections of LFC fans on RAWK who try to score points with it. Too much integrity to fall down to their level and correct them. However someone does need to point it out to them.

I think they have now said there will be no more ceremonies at Anfield. I don't know how I feel about it. Unfortunately unlike the Bradford fire Hillsborough will always be a very political issue. Cameron said (of his own party) that it was the biggest cover up in British history. I think for that reason it will always be a little different. I think the victims families would have loved to have been left to mourn, but in honesty that opportunity was taken away from them by media outlets, the police and certain people within government.

Going round throwing allegations against people purporting to be something you are not is the worst form of behaviour though. That's what they can't seem to get their heads around on RAWK. He behaved appallingly and tried to use Hillsborough to score a few points on a bitter hateful thread. It's desecrating the graves of those who've died who have had that more than enough. I know there are RAWK lurkers on here and I hope they can sit and think that through a little bit.
 
Cracking post mate, but one small concern highlighted...... They aren't a big team anymore. Big Club yes but their team is average to half decent at their best.

Thanks buddy. I suppose I mean the Europa league is a club that the big clubs in Europe can't stand, it is a complete irrelevance to them. It is not a patch on the FA Cup and never will be, unless you are a small time club like Liverpool.
 
the chants are wrong on both sides but for uefa to not take any action because it wasnt mentioned in the match officials report is a farce as there's a good chance that he wouldnt understand the meaning of it anyway.

uefa wouldve imposed a fine that was equivalent to a season ticket anyway though.

both need to be under close scrutiny at the 2nd leg & it shouldnt be down to the ref to report it.
 
the chants are wrong on both sides but for uefa to not take any action because it wasnt mentioned in the match officials report is a farce as there's a good chance that he wouldnt understand the meaning of it anyway.

uefa wouldve imposed a fine that was equivalent to a season ticket anyway though.

both need to be under close scrutiny at the 2nd leg & it shouldnt be down to the ref to report it.

Isn't it up to Merseyside police to report to the UEFA delegates what constitute offensive chanting? Merseyside police should have made it clear to the delegation what the chants were all about. As Strathclyde police did with Celtic.

"Celtic could face UEFA sanctions after police raised concerns over chants sung by supporters during their recent Europa League game against Rennes at Parkhead.

It is understood that Strathclyde Police made the UEFA delegate aware of what they termed 'offensive' singing during Celtic's 3-1 victory on November 3.

The news comes amid reports UEFA have opened a disciplinary case against Celtic over 'discriminatory chanting'.

I think both sets of supporters will be under close scrutiny on Thursday.
 

Isn't it up to Merseyside police to report to the UEFA delegates what constitute offensive chanting? Merseyside police should have made it clear to the delegation what the chants were all about. As Strathclyde police did with Celtic.
"Celtic could face UEFA sanctions after police raised concerns over chants sung by supporters during their recent Europa League game against Rennes at Parkhead.
It is understood that Strathclyde Police made the UEFA delegate aware of what they termed 'offensive' singing during Celtic's 3-1 victory on November 3.
The news comes amid reports UEFA have opened a disciplinary case against Celtic over 'discriminatory chanting'.
I think both sets of supporters will be under close scrutiny on Thursday.

It can be a question of where those reports come from though, in Glasgow there have been organised reportings by Rangers fans of chanting they are supposedly hearing whilst watching the Celtic game on TV, each one counts as official report and the police have to investigate. To start with a few got done for wasting Police time as they were making it up, but now the slightest hint at perhaps a misheard chant ends up with a few hundred phone-calls and a police investigation.

The Police are usually more than happy to get these reports in because they receive countless legit complaints about Rangers fans but refuse to single them out. Having a pretence to rebuke both clubs is welcomed.
 
Just have a trace of a smile on your face all day. I never debate with the odd one or two I know about Everton as its an imbalance of not only breadth of thought but also intelligence. Theres also the tedium of having to cut them slack because of their innate limitations as gob......

I try to smile but I can't. At least the geordies are funny with their delusion. Another couple I know were after a complete overhaul of the team a few weeks ago. Now they've had a few wins their squad depth is fantastic and they only need a striker to win the league under their new saviour Klopp. Its madness.
 
I do think there is a minority of LFC fans though, often populated on blogs like RAWK who want to re-write history and make it an LFC only event.

Simple really. They've never even visited the city, have no connection to it whatsoever and so try and outdo each other with pathetic wallowing and accusing blues without having a clue of the feeling in the city.

That's what disappointed me about the United fans to be honest, I thought they were better than that. At least they go the games and if they've been going for years will have probably been through some dodgy situations with overcrowding or police treating them like herded animals. The fact they can take the side of a despicable rag over football fans who died at the game means any respect I had for them has long gone. As I said they got drowned out last season when they tried to sing that song but as usual the idiots over on RAWK don't want to hear that because they stop becoming the victim.
 
I was at that game....it was the most frightened I have ever been at a game.

I thought I was being squashed to death once inside the stadium making my way to the terrace.

They were herding us in through a big blue double door but only one half of it was open.....that was the problem.

I buttonholed a steward and pointed out was was going on and he apologised, saying Plod were dictating what was happening and they told him he was not to open the other half.

It was an F.A. Cup tie......the first match in the epic saga we had with them circa 1988.
This was my first ever away match on my 11th birthday. It was terrifying.
15 months later coming away from Villa Park we all remembered what one of the old hands had said that day "Dear God, something bad is going to happen here one day".

Changing theme, I live near Melwood and there is a constant stream of daytrippers lurking like bad voyeurs around that place. Locals are fed up with wheelie bins disappearing so they can be used to peer over the fence.
 

I try to smile but I can't. At least the geordies are funny with their delusion. Another couple I know were after a complete overhaul of the team a few weeks ago. Now they've had a few wins their squad depth is fantastic and they only need a striker to win the league under their new saviour Klopp. Its madness.

That's what they do though...it doesn't matter what they said in the past or how x played or didnt, they change their mood/opinion on a daily basis via a cocky out-dated sense of entitlement. Pathetic really but there you go...they are what they are....as the chant says.
 
It's obvious that f*ckwit who was posting on here the other day wasn't personally affected by Hillsborough. If they were, there's no way they'd come on here and claim those things. Just another cult follower who wants to feel welcome by making stuff up and trying to create a victim mentality about them-self. I hope you enjoy what you see in the mirror, because i sure would be embarrassed and disgraced.
 
This was my first ever away match on my 11th birthday. It was terrifying.
15 months later coming away from Villa Park we all remembered what one of the old hands had said that day "Dear God, something bad is going to happen here one day".

Changing theme, I live near Melwood and there is a constant stream of daytrippers lurking like bad voyeurs around that place. Locals are fed up with wheelie bins disappearing so they can be used to peer over the fence.

that game to this day still gives me a shiver down my spine,it was a cold,snowy day,we got caught in traffic on the pennines,the game had kicked off,I think we'd missed the first five minutes,we legged it down that tunnel to the central pen and could see it was totally rammed,so we went around to the uncovered pen at the side which was much less crammed,I recall looking right across at that central pen and the two on either side and thinking it wasn't safe,we got soaked but we were ok,it's horrendous to think what happened just over a year later,JFT96.
 
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=315580.19720

The lurkers have been reading again. Unfortunately can't sign up on RAWK to put a few things straight to them. I'd happily offer to meet them at the match to do so, but you know most of them don't go. Long trip from the Home Counties and all that.

A few of them seem to be confused that we "can't sell out". They seem to struggle with the concept of 1- away fans not selling seats, 2- segregation reducing capacity and 3-obstructed views. Every game this season we have sold all seats with no obstructed view. For most games we sell all seats out, the ones that are empty are generally away supporters. That rather straightforward argument will be like Mad Max trying to get his head around nuclear physics.

The Red since 986 bloke, you posted the final bit of my post but cowardly omitted the bit about reds desecrating the memory of Hillsborough victims. Why don't you have a bit of dignity and put it on there? That reds fans are lying and trying to stir up trouble, without any consent from the victims families in order to score points on a forum about Hillsborough?

As a final point in question the "winning without winning" needs to be addressed. This is from the club that celebrates heroic penalty kick wins when they finished 4th to enter a competition designed for league winners. A club that organised a league winners celebration and advertised for jobs before they'd even won the league!
A club that in 1996 went ballistic when Robbie Fowler scored an equalising goal in a Merseyside Derby. All fairly concrete evidence of "winning without winning". Can anyone enlighten me on what our "winning without winning" nonsense is, other than celebrating a 25 yard screamer in the last minute of a game? MPlease for the love of god don't tell me that is the central basis of that nonsense? Even for their neandarthal minds that is illogical.

Finally the "singing anti-scouse songs" with mancs at Wembley. Well a little history lesson for you again. I've never met an Evertonian make an anti-scouse statement. Same can't be said for Liverpool fans though, many round here regularly use the "you're just the scouse team" in an insulting way. We regularly give said Mancs a good hiding (see battle of Everton Valley, and don't you dare try and take any credit for the hammering we gave them) while your out of town wools do nothing to stop them.

You are the club who booooo the scouse players in United's team. The club that celebrated with songs when a scouse lad Rooney left Everton to join United (who can remember the "once a blue always a red" chants as you joyfully lapped up a local lad joining said hated Mancs). Cheered on the mancs in 85 just as 100% of your posters who said they would pick a team have said they would cheer United on at Wembley this year.

As a club you have regularly shown no history of doing anything other than cheering for Mancs over Evertonian at every given opportunity, and openly celebrating football players who denigrate Liverpools first football club while in a Manc shirt. So please don't try and give me a history lesson on scouse solidarity, as you are the biggest scabs going if such a thing existing. You have prostituted your club to American owners, Norwegian tourists and home Counties beauts who fill the majority of your stadium. Your match day squad regularly fields no scouse players. Your youth academy is filled with lads from outside of the area and regularly gets hammered by ours who are predominately local lads. You have allowed your club to be run for, by and in the interests of out of towners (the sort of beauts on RAWK) so much so they price you out of going to the match and mock you when you try to stand up and do something about it.

I am not against a solidarity amongst scousers. What you don't seem to grasp is you are not a scouse club anymore. You are an international team that plays in Liverpool. I feel sympathy for the locals (vault my previous posts in support of your protest over prices if you must) which is more than can be said about your out of town support who welcomed the price rises so they could buy the tickets that locals couldn't afford.

No team is perfect. My club isn't. But drop the "we're more scouse than you rubbish" when it is patently untrue. The lies and deceipt you descend too need to be challenged openly with facts.

Against for the coward who put up part of the post on RAWK. I dare you to put all of the post up this time. You won't because you know what I am saying is true, and the truth shines a light on the bitter narks that you all are and puts to shame the sleuth of lies you engage in!
 

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