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It does make me wonder if they have as much money as they make out?

They probably think they have put up the sort of money in the last few years that you would expect to result in a few league titles let alone a consistent failure to even make the top 4. Look at the players they've taken a bath on: Carrol, Benteke, Balotelli, Markovic, Moreno, Allen. All have been or will be sold for far less than the eye watering amounts they were brought in for. They've only just started to get any sort of repayment from Lovren, Sakho and Lallana. Firmino is inconsistent, Clyne average, Mignolet the same, Origi and Ings don't get much game time. Plus they've had to pay off Dalglish and Rodgers plus two sets of back room staff. To add to this there's barely been a decent academy player come through that they haven't bought off someone else, and the club is a magnet for bad press and publicity with the Suarez affair, Sakho gate, constant fan misbehaviour, and PR gaffes all damaging their image.

What have they got to show for it? One league cup. Secured by players like Kuyt and Gerrard who left for free essentially. In spite of all this humongous expenditure though they still have an over entitled fan base constantly calling for them to spend more and more money and accusing them of killing the club.

I'm not surprised they've closed the wallet a bit. About time someone over there learned how to run a club without just mindlessly chucking money away.
 

My only worry is it's the sort of thing Klopp did well at Dortmund. I think we will see a period of 18 months (probably another 12 months now, ie this window and January) where Klopps built up knowledge at Dortmund will come in handy as will his knowledge of the German league. After that I sense it will be a return to normal for them as they simply don't have the network and infrastructure of scouting Dortmund enjoyed. Alongside that Klopp's memory will begin to fade and the players he identified will either go up too much in price or not deliver on their promise.

None of the signings are much of a statement of intent. They are quite smart business but there does need to be an acknowledgement from them they are not eating from the top table anymore. The fact some of them think Goetze who was nailed on will now become "a saga" when the lad has made it clear he'd rather rot in the reserves than join Klopp and Liverpool is hilarious. To pacify the fans (which lets face it underpins a lot of their actions) they will look to spunk a huge sum of money on another player (possibly the lad at Porto). Someone will see them coming and get double what they ought too. This was essentially what happened with Benteke.

On a side note I am really not worried about them at all. You can see from the increasing anger and pathetic bitterness from them that they are very peeved at Everton. That's before Moshiri has really acted. Wait till we start spending money and bring some of the names you are mentioning above in.

Klopp is a bit like Mourinho in the type of jobs he does. He is a similar wildcard character. He got Mainz relegated and the ups and down at Dortmund were even greater. They were bottom of the league for over half the season in his last season in charge when he just found some form in time to get them up to around half way.
At Dortmund he was starting from a much higher base than at Liverpool. If the same pattern occurs with them it is very feasible he will take them down. Given he's not got a trophy on board when he first started I would start to be rather alarmed if I were a Liverpool fan.


Klopp had a DOF at dortmund and so possibly didnt have so much global knowledge of players other than those recommended to him.

Quite frankly i find it bizarre that they have signed these 3. Apparently they have bid for Lorients left back guerreiro whoss brilliant BUT not not sure how he woild do in the prem as hes not exactly "hard".

if they get him then they will habe signed a GK / CB amd LB and with AM overloaded im not sure what other position they could fill without selling a few first.
 
My only worry is it's the sort of thing Klopp did well at Dortmund. I think we will see a period of 18 months (probably another 12 months now, ie this window and January) where Klopps built up knowledge at Dortmund will come in handy as will his knowledge of the German league. After that I sense it will be a return to normal for them as they simply don't have the network and infrastructure of scouting Dortmund enjoyed. Alongside that Klopp's memory will begin to fade and the players he identified will either go up too much in price or not deliver on their promise.

None of the signings are much of a statement of intent. They are quite smart business but there does need to be an acknowledgement from them they are not eating from the top table anymore. The fact some of them think Goetze who was nailed on will now become "a saga" when the lad has made it clear he'd rather rot in the reserves than join Klopp and Liverpool is hilarious. To pacify the fans (which lets face it underpins a lot of their actions) they will look to spunk a huge sum of money on another player (possibly the lad at Porto). Someone will see them coming and get double what they ought too. This was essentially what happened with Benteke.

On a side note I am really not worried about them at all. You can see from the increasing anger and pathetic bitterness from them that they are very peeved at Everton. That's before Moshiri has really acted. Wait till we start spending money and bring some of the names you are mentioning above in.

Klopp is a bit like Mourinho in the type of jobs he does. He is a similar wildcard character. He got Mainz relegated and the ups and down at Dortmund were even greater. They were bottom of the league for over half the season in his last season in charge when he just found some form in time to get them up to around half way.
At Dortmund he was starting from a much higher base than at Liverpool. If the same pattern occurs with them it is very feasible he will take them down. Given he's not got a trophy on board when he first started I would start to be rather alarmed if I were a Liverpool fan.
Dortmund finished 6th in his last season that's why they were in last season's Europa League.

I think they only lost one game after the mid winter break in the league and knocked out Bayern in the german Cup.

But anyway,so far looks like there business has been about bargains so far,maybe could be true they don't have much money,regarding Gotze i read in a few papers online that he's agreed to a 175K a week wages package,but then split with his agent and his dad has told him to stay put for now and his dad is actually advising him now,maybe they are looking at the bigger picture and going on a Bosman for a fat sign on fee and bigger contract.

I cannot ever see them relegated what with the deal with the Devil and such. :D
 
Dortmund finished 6th in his last season that's why they were in last season's Europa League.

I think they only lost one game after the mid winter break in the league and knocked out Bayern in the german Cup.

But anyway,so far looks like there business has been about bargains so far,maybe could be true they don't have much money,regarding Gotze i read in a few papers online that he's agreed to a 175K a week wages package,but then split with his agent and his dad has told him to stay put for now and his dad is actually advising him now,maybe they are looking at the bigger picture and going on a Bosman for a fat sign on fee and bigger contract.

I cannot ever see them relegated what with the deal with the Devil and such. :D

They finished 7th in a 18 team league, essentially like finishing 8/9th in a 20 team league. They did go on a fantastic run in the last 3rd of the season and he deserves credit for that. However he completely messed up before that. A similar sort of mess up equivalent at Liverpool would leave them in Aston Villa levels of strife. I am not convinced he would save them from that.

Klopp is basically a fraud who's been found out in each job he's been at. The time bomb is ticking.
 

Remember when their previous American owners didn't give Rafael any money after he wasted half a billion and their fans did a video about it feeling like their families have been raped.

This made me laugh when I read the headline online....imagining all the red necked Kopites "Yer wha????" and trying to get retrospective refunds off Ayre before he goes !!!

Newcastle announce ticket price reductions after confirming Rafael Benitez as manager

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3613091/Newcastle-announce-ticket-price-reductions-confirming-Rafael-Benitez-manager.html#ixzz49tV6fmLi
 
They finished 7th in a 18 team league, essentially like finishing 8/9th in a 20 team league. They did go on a fantastic run in the last 3rd of the season and he deserves credit for that. However he completely messed up before that. A similar sort of mess up equivalent at Liverpool would leave them in Aston Villa levels of strife. I am not convinced he would save them from that.

Klopp is basically a fraud who's been found out in each job he's been at. The time bomb is ticking.

the german moyes then
 
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...blood-red-liverpools-hardline-stance-11396284

Blood Red: Liverpool's hardline stance with youngsters should be applauded - but could it backfire?
Liverpool want their youngsters to prove themselves before the rewards come their way - but they risking losing some of their young stars
  • Liverpool want their youngsters to prove themselves before the rewards come their way - but they risking losing some of their young stars
LFC-youngsters.jpg

“It’s very important young players have something to strive for. If they get too much too young it can sabotage their development."

Brendan Rodgers said a lot of things during his time at Liverpool. Plenty of them ridiculed.

But this time he got it spot on.

The ex-Reds boss was keen not to see his young players get much too soon.

It's an accusation levelled at many a young footballer as they try to make the grade in the Premier League.

As the world's top football clubs compete to snare the stars of the future, young players are given ever increasing contracts.

And too much money at too early an age can snuff out a fledgling career.

Liverpool however, are trying to make a difference.

It's all relative of course, but the Reds' hardline stance with their young players is to be admired.

They want their youngsters to prove themselves before the rewards come their way.

It's a principle the club are prepared to stick to, even if it does end up costing them now and again.

Jerome Sinclair recently signed for Watford having failed to agree a new deal with the Reds.

Jordan Rossiter was another to depart Anfield in recent weeks, with Liverpool unwilling to match terms offered to him by Rangers.

Sergi Canos could now follow him out of the exit door, having demanded the Reds stump up £10,000 a week after a successful loan spell at Brentford last season.

Brad Smith's reluctance to agree terms almost cost him his Liverpool career, before he performed a U-turn and took the offer the Reds put on the table months earlier.



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Raheem Sterling of Manchester City reacts as he misses a clear chance during the Capital One Cup Final match between Liverpool and Manchester City at Wembley Stadium on February 28, 2016 in London, England. (Photo by Michael Steele/Getty Images)


And then there was Raheem Sterling, who left for Manchester City in a £49m deal after a much-publicised contract dispute with the Reds.

And it was he who Rodgers was talking about when he said the words "too much too young".

Now, nobody could call Sterling a flop - but his time at the Etihad hasn't gone exactly to plan so far.

And perhaps it's no coincidence that Jordon Ibe's form has tailed off since signing a lucrative new deal with Liverpool one year ago.

Indeed, Smith, Kevin Stewart and Pedro Chirivella have worked hard to break into the first-team picture at Anfield this term - and they are on relative peanuts compared to some of their peers.

But could the Reds' stance cost them in the long run?

After all, if their rivals are willing to pay big bucks to persuade young players their future is with them, it will be difficult for Liverpool to compete.

Eyebrows were certainly raised when news broke this week about Canos. So impressive in the Championship, the 19-year-old Spaniard had recently told the ECHO that his Liverpool debut was the "best 10 minutes of his life".

Canos' family, meanwhile, opened up a restaurant on Penny Lane in South Liverpool. All looked set up for a long stay on Merseyside.

Now the Spaniard looks set to leave - with Queens Park Rangers and Watford circling - and Reds fans will be understandably left frustrated if he goes on to fulfil his vast potential.

In truth, it's about finding the right balance.

You suspect that if Canos convinced he was a future first-team star then the Reds will be more willing to ensure he was tied him down to a more lucrative deal.

Cameron Brannagan, for example, is set to be rewarded with new terms. He is highly thought of at Anfield.

Jurgen Klopp will know best, and the Reds boss has an excellent track record of nurturing young talent. Simply look at his successful Dortmund side.

The club will hope that the chance to play for one of the world's most famous clubs - and most passionate crowds - is more of an incentive than cold, hard cash.

Rodgers might be right. But money talks, and the Reds will have to pay the best to get the best young talent.




what do you think of this article @catcherintherye, i sort of see where they come from, but i would say of all the teams to be appluaded for their youth, liverpool are right down the bottom there when considering premier league clubs.
 
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...blood-red-liverpools-hardline-stance-11396284

Blood Red: Liverpool's hardline stance with youngsters should be applauded - but could it backfire?
Liverpool want their youngsters to prove themselves before the rewards come their way - but they risking losing some of their young stars
  • Liverpool want their youngsters to prove themselves before the rewards come their way - but they risking losing some of their young stars
LFC-youngsters.jpg

“It’s very important young players have something to strive for. If they get too much too young it can sabotage their development."

Brendan Rodgers said a lot of things during his time at Liverpool. Plenty of them ridiculed.

But this time he got it spot on.

The ex-Reds boss was keen not to see his young players get much too soon.

It's an accusation levelled at many a young footballer as they try to make the grade in the Premier League.

As the world's top football clubs compete to snare the stars of the future, young players are given ever increasing contracts.

And too much money at too early an age can snuff out a fledgling career.

Liverpool however, are trying to make a difference.

It's all relative of course, but the Reds' hardline stance with their young players is to be admired.

They want their youngsters to prove themselves before the rewards come their way.

It's a principle the club are prepared to stick to, even if it does end up costing them now and again.

Jerome Sinclair recently signed for Watford having failed to agree a new deal with the Reds.

Jordan Rossiter was another to depart Anfield in recent weeks, with Liverpool unwilling to match terms offered to him by Rangers.

Sergi Canos could now follow him out of the exit door, having demanded the Reds stump up £10,000 a week after a successful loan spell at Brentford last season.

Brad Smith's reluctance to agree terms almost cost him his Liverpool career, before he performed a U-turn and took the offer the Reds put on the table months earlier.



JS83780840.jpg

Raheem Sterling of Manchester City reacts as he misses a clear chance during the Capital One Cup Final match between Liverpool and Manchester City at Wembley Stadium on February 28, 2016 in London, England. (Photo by Michael Steele/Getty Images)


And then there was Raheem Sterling, who left for Manchester City in a £49m deal after a much-publicised contract dispute with the Reds.

And it was he who Rodgers was talking about when he said the words "too much too young".

Now, nobody could call Sterling a flop - but his time at the Etihad hasn't gone exactly to plan so far.

And perhaps it's no coincidence that Jordon Ibe's form has tailed off since signing a lucrative new deal with Liverpool one year ago.

Indeed, Smith, Kevin Stewart and Pedro Chirivella have worked hard to break into the first-team picture at Anfield this term - and they are on relative peanuts compared to some of their peers.

But could the Reds' stance cost them in the long run?

After all, if their rivals are willing to pay big bucks to persuade young players their future is with them, it will be difficult for Liverpool to compete.

Eyebrows were certainly raised when news broke this week about Canos. So impressive in the Championship, the 19-year-old Spaniard had recently told the ECHO that his Liverpool debut was the "best 10 minutes of his life".

Canos' family, meanwhile, opened up a restaurant on Penny Lane in South Liverpool. All looked set up for a long stay on Merseyside.

Now the Spaniard looks set to leave - with Queens Park Rangers and Watford circling - and Reds fans will be understandably left frustrated if he goes on to fulfil his vast potential.

In truth, it's about finding the right balance.

You suspect that if Canos convinced he was a future first-team star then the Reds will be more willing to ensure he was tied him down to a more lucrative deal.

Cameron Brannagan, for example, is set to be rewarded with new terms. He is highly thought of at Anfield.

Jurgen Klopp will know best, and the Reds boss has an excellent track record of nurturing young talent. Simply look at his successful Dortmund side.

The club will hope that the chance to play for one of the world's most famous clubs - and most passionate crowds - is more of an incentive than cold, hard cash.

Rodgers might be right. But money talks, and the Reds will have to pay the best to get the best young talent.




what do you think of this article @catcherintherye, i sort of see where they come from, but i would say of all the teams to be appluaded for their youth, liverpool are right down the bottom there when considering premier league clubs.
How many youth team players have they brought though in the last 10 years? Even Ibe and sterling were poached
 

How many youth team players have they brought though in the last 10 years? Even Ibe and sterling were poached

jack sh*t.

the article's all about not giving youngsters too much too young which i totally agree with. But they don't even give their local youngsters a chance anyway bar a couple of appearances in cups they don't really care about. Fails to mention the point that they're spending bucketloads in the first place to poach these youngsters from elsewhere ... before laughably going on to "they can't afford to offer them the contracts they want to stay".

Meanwhile everton swoop up all the top local talent and they don't desert us for better pastures. Buy merceneries and don't moan about when they want off for money, they'd do well to realise that.
 
jack sh*t.

the article's all about not giving youngsters too much too young which i totally agree with. But they don't even give their local youngsters a chance anyway bar a couple of appearances in cups they don't really care about. Fails to mention the point that they're spending bucketloads in the first place to poach these youngsters from elsewhere ... before laughably going on to "they can't afford to offer them the contracts they want to stay".

Meanwhile everton swoop up all the top local talent and they don't desert us for better pastures. Buy merceneries and don't moan about when they want off for money, they'd do well to realise that.
It is difficult to know where to draw the line and the days of apprentices cleaning boots etc have long gone but if you see Milner,Henderson and the rest picking up 120/130k a week for being average then your going to want a cut,or your going to go elsewhere the same applies to any career
 
It is difficult to know where to draw the line and the days of apprentices cleaning boots etc have long gone but if you see Milner,Henderson and the rest picking up 120/130k a week for being average then your going to want a cut,or your going to go elsewhere the same applies to any career

i don't understand how any footballer of a fairly decent level should even worry about the money involved.
 
News breaking in France that Sakho is going to be cleared and will be named in the French Euro 2016 squad on Tuesday.

Apparently the fat burner he took isn't on the WADA banlist and the UEFA ban imposed ends on Monday and Uefa will take no further action.

Anyone find this dubious?
 

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