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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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catcherintherye said:
Again alongside what I said a few days ago re financing of Liverpool (and no doubt flew over the heads of the dullard sheep of RAWK) some reds are beginning to see the wood for the trees re FSG.

From the Echo Link. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../liverpool-owner-john-henry-suggests-11953739

"The price of a match ticket.. irrelevant to the way the owners plan development etc.
owners are... money men and investment funds, and whenever they need money to say build a new stand or similar, they borrow money on the back of the club, they don't actually use their own cash. It's exactly what Gilette and Hicks did, basically taking out re-mortgages and loans against LFC. "

"The price of a match ticket, either at Liverpool or any other club is irrelevant to the way the owners plan development etc.
Premier League clubs owners are all money men and investment funds, and whenever they need money to say build a new stand or similar, they borrow money on the back of the club, they don't actually use their own cash. It's exactly what Gilette and Hicks did, basically taking out re-mortgages and loans against LFC."

"Scum. Pure and simple. No different to Hicks and Gilette."

"Shock horror, the only way FSG will fulfill their promise is to rip off the fans, all the money that the club makes, none of which is reinvested in the squad apart from transfers and now they are essentially threatening the fans that if they don't let them charge through the roof they will not expand the stand, this added to the fact we have become the biggest selling club in world football during their tenure, with no club making more from transfers over the last 6 years (the time FSG just happen to be in charge) then us and its laughable that fans support them and don't see them for anything more then they are, greedy Yanks who saw a chance to make money by buying a worldwide brand at a knockdown price".

"Actually at Dortmund and Bayern the seating tickets can be really expensive. Over 100 quid or more. These subsidise the cheaper standing tickets. FSG tried to do the same but the revolutionaries in SOS caused a walkout."

I could go on but this will get nasty. Some of the brighter mainly local lads are waking up to what's happened to their club. RAWK will try to fulfil it's function as the opium of the masses but I'm not sure how long for. Get me some popcorn, I hope FFG bleed the club, price out the locals and they are left with a ground for of wealthy out of towners who hate scousers. That's the vision for the FFG defenders.
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The issue is that we all want a billionaire owner to buy a stadium and buy top players. When the penny drops and everyone realises that the owners want their investment back plus a small return, they all get wound up and upset.
Liverpool talk about being the best in England who deserve the best, well guess what you utter morons, the best things in life come at a price. Im sick of hearing all the comments of we refuse to pay £50 for a ticket but yeah you can build us a shiny new stadium Mr Investor.

Everton will be the same when the stadium is built, investors want a return on their investment.
As someone has already said, let the civil war begin.
 
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An absolute fruitcake !
 
Paul Bernard said:
The issue is that we all want a billionaire owner to buy a stadium and buy top players. When the penny drops and everyone realises that the owners want their investment back plus a small return, they all get wound up and upset.
Liverpool talk about being the best in England who deserve the best, well guess what you utter morons, the best things in life come at a price. Im sick of hearing all the comments of we refuse to pay £50 for a ticket but yeah you can build us a shiny new stadium Mr Investor.

Everton will be the same when the stadium is built, investors want a return on their investment.
As someone has already said, let the civil war begin.
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It was me that coined that phrase.

There does seem to be the negative fatalism on here that a protracted struggle over ownership will see them get Manchester City levels of investment. I am really not sure. The figures involved for a City style investment have rocketed now as well. Whatever people say, to pay the billion pound asking price, inherent a club with hundreds of million of debt and growing and a stadium that in all honesty will be (like ours currently is) one of the worst in the league in a terrible area for corporate growth doesn't seem as nailed on as people think.

There has always been a tension at Liverpool between the out of town glory hunters and the local lads. Ultimately the locals have lost their club and I think it's starting to sink in what that means. My own take on this is that FSG are seriously hacked off they got made fools out of over the ticket fiasco and is in no small part why Ayre is leaving. Not extending Anfield seems to be part of a game for me, that they try to win back the propaganda war, turn fans against the locals who moved out of Anfield for the protest.

The kopite mindset struggles to really understand the dialectic. They view the world in almost infant level concepts such as "good, bad, hero, villain, evil, amazing" etc. Hicks and Gillette are evil and Klopp is deified to almost Sainthood. There's no clear consensus on what to make of FSG. This is in part down to their search to give simple label and meaning to everything. What they don't get is people behaviours change and adapt due to circumstance. Hicks and Gillette ploughed loads of money in, Benitez wasted it they got frustrated and took their toys away. Perhaps evil behaviour but to view it that way understands the cause and affect. Not just that there was some master plot to destroy them.

Likewise FSG could easily go that way. I can see a period of inertia coming over the club, with FSG increasingly drawing money out, not building or investing in the stadia until they win the wider argument that Liverpool has to be moulded to a club in their image. That is the image of a venture capital American firm imbibing those values. In short Thatcherism. When there is a stand off as increasingly there will be paralysis is caused and could see a similar void to what H & G left. Not prime recruiting ground for billionaires I hasten to add.

Anyone looking in can see major problems with Liverpool FC. They are a club who have negated their local fan base (an ownership blaming them for complaining about £77 tickets) yet have failed to capture the international market. 1 mickey mouse cup (not my words, the words of a Liverpool supporter on the Echo website) in 10 years is not breaking through. Their roots within the city are also so withered it will take some time to turn around.

I didn't realise they only had 51k against Leicester. All joking about attendances aside this is pathetic. We will close to sell out every home league game this season. First game of the season, against the champions if stadium size wasn't an issue I'd imagine we'd have got 60k+ in. The fact they can't sell out, irrespective of the mythical waiting lists should be concern for any rational fan. And the cleverer ones can see this.

The decent performance on the pitch is currently allaying a wider anger and malaise. It won't do this forever. Let the civil war begin. As Shakespeare wrote, cry havoc and release the dogs of war. :D
 
Oh and for the rats over on RAWK trying to claim Koeman has only won 5 trophies according to Wikipedia. I will paste Wikipedia of both managers honours for you. I have placed those in bold as a manager. Suffice to say he has 8 as a manager (plus one as an assistant manager whilst at Barcalona) while he has 29 honours in total as player and manager.

I will place Klopps honours list below his. I'll leave it to impartial advisors to see who has won more. :D



Ajax
PSV
Barcelona
Netherlands
Manager[edit]
Ajax
Benfica
PSV
Valencia
AZ

(Klopp)


 

catcherintherye said:
Oh and for the rats over on RAWK trying to claim Koeman has only won 5 trophies according to Wikipedia. I will paste Wikipedia of both managers honours for you. I have placed those in bold as a manager. Suffice to say he has 8 as a manager (plus one as an assistant manager whilst at Barcalona) while he has 29 honours in total as player and manager.

I will place Klopps honours list below his. I'll leave it to impartial advisors to see who has won more. :D



Ajax
PSV
Barcelona
Netherlands
Manager[edit]
Ajax
Benfica
PSV
Valencia
AZ

(Klopp)




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Personally I think his honours as a player are meaningless mate, it shows he was a winner as a player, but it doesnt mean a thing with regards him being a manager.

I mean can you guess whos playing honours these are?

Nottingham Forest
Manchester United
Celtic
Individual[edit]
A great player does not a great manager make.
 
I suppose it depends on how much value you place on League Titles in Germany rather than Holland, im sure everybody would put a lot more value on German Titles, klopp has 2 of these, Koeman has 3 Dutch leagues, for me Klopp just edges that portion. They both have 2 charity shields, but Koeman has won 3 Cups in 3 different countries compared to 1 of Klopps German FA Cup.

Not a lot in it for me, difficult to say 1 set of honours is vastly superior to the other.
 
MoutsGoat said:
Personally I think his honours as a player are meaningless mate, it shows he was a winner as a player, but it doesnt mean a thing with regards him being a manager.

I mean can you guess whos playing honours these are?

Nottingham Forest
Manchester United
Celtic
Individual[edit]
A great player does not a great manager make.
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Good point mate, Roy Keane was a cack manager.
 

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