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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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catcherintherye said:
They are in big trouble. On a continued decline with a canvass that keep demanding more. Klopp represented a way to defeat that contradiction. If there was a man who could win against the odds it was him. It's falling apart now.

I read Paul Cope of TAW (a bitter little no mark of ever there was) whinging about Plymouth fans mocking them. He said one interesting thing. Why do Liverpool fans get laughed at for saying it's their year? Surely every fans think that?

As usual the no mark completely missed the point. People don't laugh at them for wanting to win the league. They laugh at them because they ignore, distort or outright lie about information to present a case to the world they are miles better than everyone else. They mock and jeer at others for not being as good as them (calculated on flimsy evidence such as alternative points tables). Then when it goes wrong as reality sets in there is never any humility or acknowledgement. Already they are resorting back to "its all about next season". The long and short of it is, people don't begrudge others wanting better things, they begrudge it when their neighbour spends all day bragging about all the ratings they have they expects sympathy when the HP agreement runs out.

I went one step further though. The delusion they have prevents them having an honest debate. The lads calling for Klopp to go are physically threatened, while anti FSG views are often censored on influential forums.

Let's look at things honestly. Liverpool are now a mediocre side and club. They've finished in the top 5 once in 7 years, possibly now 8. Compare that to the previous 8 years. He'll compare to our first 8 years under Moyes for which they mock us for irrelevance .

Strip it back in that way, you see a club that is mediocre and also a club that is steadily in decline. Factor in loss of CL revenues and owners not willing to front spending and the pot has run dry. There's no money this summer unless the owners front money's which they are patently not willing to do.

Rather than deal with the black and white above they've told the fans a little fairy story. Initially it was called money all. That's stats mean they can reverse the decline. Secondly it was the saviour was coming called Klopp who didn't need money. Both appear to the more discerning to be untruths.

They've been a badly run club for some time. They've spent a billion pounds to not win the league. Reducing funding is making the problem and the decline worse, as is their inability to grapple with the issue.

One final point, Klopp has lost the plot. This is the same process that happened at Dortmund but quicker. What was telling last night was a manager that is famed for a specific way of playing and never veering from it did exactly that. He went to a 3 at the back which looked woeful.

I have nothing against tactical flexibility in fact I am in favour of it. However Klopp has placed huge importance on his method. His whole M O is that by being unwavering in 1 way of playing they will know it better and thus Outdo some of the challenges they face mentioned above.

Well last night a side without a league goal all year out ran his Liverpool team and beat them at their own game. What was telling was Klopp then radically altered strategy. For me it's the beginning of the end. Like with Rodgers who started changing ways of playing and could never stop the rot I sense Klopp will have the same fate.

He didn't change system at Hull and told them off for not being good enough. Today though he knows a reprimand alone isn't enough to get them to win and he needs to adjust to a system he's never used.

This is no blip what is occurring. You have got the managed decline of Liverpool under foreign ownership, alongside unrealistic (and frankly delusional) expectations of fans with the boom and bust of Klopp. A toxic cocktail and one that could see them end up being pulled into a relegation dogfight.

By this summer we will have left them in our wing mirror if the accepted consensus of Usmanovs involvement is to be credited. I'll still not stop pitying them mind. Nothing will ever stop that and the hilarity of them losing their heads in a cyclical manner.
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Kenshin said:
I think the summer just gone pretty much displays what Liverpool have become now. Liverpool fans at the time spoke about Klopp signing his players to play his tactics. It worked, or it seemed to work by November. Now the summer just gone stinks of lack of investment, signing budget players rather than first choice and they have essentially tried to ride off the back of what Klopp could do despite the tools given to him. In all honesty here, who was their last big signing? Like really big? Suarez was not a big signing by any stretch of the imagination at the time, just another striker brought in. Would it be torres? My memory is a little light on this front so please excuse me, but i cannot think of another player since torres that genuinely was a big signing for the club.

the problem liverpool have now is that if they do not reach top 4 this season and do not back Klopp in the transfer market, not to mention any of their only half decent players decides they want to go then potentially Klopp could walk, and then what? They have put all their eggs into the Klopp basket and if they had actually backed him financially then perhaps they would have got out of jail with it all. As @catcherintherye excellently put, what now for them? they are us, under Moyes, in all but name. Signing cast offs and negative net spends whilst keeping above and around the europa league places. Except the difference between us and them is that they looked down on us doing that, and blindly cannot see they have become it themselves.

I hope this time next year, we can look down on them and just laugh.
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it's been a long while, like you say, yet they still constantly pay £25m+for a player, the fees they've been paying, there should have been one big signing there somewhere, but it's been a long while.
 

Sapie88 said:
Can you provide us with an update please?
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ianefc said:
lollollollol
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he definitely has a point imo. But where was the condemnation of that rag that posted the drinks are on me headline after firminho case.

both are pretty idiotic from morons who are all "look at me and my quirky headline, please strangers, like it so i can tell my friends how popular something i said was".
 

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