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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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catcherintherye said:
They are in big trouble. On a continued decline with a canvass that keep demanding more. Klopp represented a way to defeat that contradiction. If there was a man who could win against the odds it was him. It's falling apart now.

I read Paul Cope of TAW (a bitter little no mark of ever there was) whinging about Plymouth fans mocking them. He said one interesting thing. Why do Liverpool fans get laughed at for saying it's their year? Surely every fans think that?

As usual the no mark completely missed the point. People don't laugh at them for wanting to win the league. They laugh at them because they ignore, distort or outright lie about information to present a case to the world they are miles better than everyone else. They mock and jeer at others for not being as good as them (calculated on flimsy evidence such as alternative points tables). Then when it goes wrong as reality sets in there is never any humility or acknowledgement. Already they are resorting back to "its all about next season". The long and short of it is, people don't begrudge others wanting better things, they begrudge it when their neighbour spends all day bragging about all the ratings they have they expects sympathy when the HP agreement runs out.

I went one step further though. The delusion they have prevents them having an honest debate. The lads calling for Klopp to go are physically threatened, while anti FSG views are often censored on influential forums.

Let's look at things honestly. Liverpool are now a mediocre side and club. They've finished in the top 5 once in 7 years, possibly now 8. Compare that to the previous 8 years. He'll compare to our first 8 years under Moyes for which they mock us for irrelevance .

Strip it back in that way, you see a club that is mediocre and also a club that is steadily in decline. Factor in loss of CL revenues and owners not willing to front spending and the pot has run dry. There's no money this summer unless the owners front money's which they are patently not willing to do.

Rather than deal with the black and white above they've told the fans a little fairy story. Initially it was called money all. That's stats mean they can reverse the decline. Secondly it was the saviour was coming called Klopp who didn't need money. Both appear to the more discerning to be untruths.

They've been a badly run club for some time. They've spent a billion pounds to not win the league. Reducing funding is making the problem and the decline worse, as is their inability to grapple with the issue.

One final point, Klopp has lost the plot. This is the same process that happened at Dortmund but quicker. What was telling last night was a manager that is famed for a specific way of playing and never veering from it did exactly that. He went to a 3 at the back which looked woeful.

I have nothing against tactical flexibility in fact I am in favour of it. However Klopp has placed huge importance on his method. His whole M O is that by being unwavering in 1 way of playing they will know it better and thus Outdo some of the challenges they face mentioned above.

Well last night a side without a league goal all year out ran his Liverpool team and beat them at their own game. What was telling was Klopp then radically altered strategy. For me it's the beginning of the end. Like with Rodgers who started changing ways of playing and could never stop the rot I sense Klopp will have the same fate.

He didn't change system at Hull and told them off for not being good enough. Today though he knows a reprimand alone isn't enough to get them to win and he needs to adjust to a system he's never used.

This is no blip what is occurring. You have got the managed decline of Liverpool under foreign ownership, alongside unrealistic (and frankly delusional) expectations of fans with the boom and bust of Klopp. A toxic cocktail and one that could see them end up being pulled into a relegation dogfight.

By this summer we will have left them in our wing mirror if the accepted consensus of Usmanovs involvement is to be credited. I'll still not stop pitying them mind. Nothing will ever stop that and the hilarity of them losing their heads in a cyclical manner.
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Mate, you've written some top posts but now you just showing off.
 
Neiler said:
Klopp is a very good manager, they are very lucky to have him, i wouldn't be surprised to see him at another PL club elsewhere or another CL club.

He has made three mistakes for my money though:

1) He is to sure of himself, they dont change tactics or evolve they play the same way against everyone and the league has cottoned on since December.

2) His squad is knackered, for the style of pressing they play their players are just out of puff.

3) There defense is woeful, teams in and around the relegation zone have a better defense. Im not even being dramatic there.

What also helps is the owners have no ambition, they are happy with par with the odd chance of the CL, all about building their investment as opposed to evolving.

They simply dont have the money to be competitive, the way they used to be, or the nous to recruit well and build a team from promising players to great players and challenge for a PL.
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Your 3 numbered points don't support your first 5 words.
 


Prevenger17 said:
I actually like Lallana as a player, but 150k a week is madness. Gerrard, at least, would have been worth it in his prime.
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yep I like Lallana too Prev bur as far as I'm concerned anyone earning over 100k a week better be single handedly winning me the league by scoring 50 goals, assisting 30 goals and saving 10 penalties. Handing out contracts that size is absolutely insane for a player who is good, but not a top bracket player and they've been doing this for years and years.

Long may their stupidity continue!
 
We have had one of the lowest net spends in football over the past 20 years.So it's not surprising that we gone that amount of time without a trophy.Thankfully i think that's changing now.Anyway i was having a conversation with a red.1 trophy in 10 years and that was the mickey mouse cup i said to him.The red said back to me but if you included the past 12 years going back to 2005 then that would have covered our FA Cup win in 2006 and our champions league win in 2005.I just said in response so the all mighty all powerful Liverpool FC have won just 3 trophies in 12 years.2 of those were over a decade ago.The most recent trophy Liverpool won was half a decade ago and you are actually boasting about that.lol
 

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