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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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bluestevon said:
Klopp I'm unconcerned about. He's going to be a buffoon we can all lampoon I suspect.


The problem is, it's old hat ('gegenpressing') and been mastered in the Bundesliga. Klopp will find it hard doing what he did 7 years ago at Dortmund over here


He'd be an obvious upgrade on the no mark clown who was just kicked out, but I still think Klopp is an enormous gamble. He's obviously a loose cannon. If things dont go well I think his time at both Mainz and Dortmund show that he can lash out at enemies real and perceived. And our media would have him going bananas in 6 months flat.
I just think he had his way of operating in the Bundesliga that caught everyone napping and he was able to build on that system successfully before the penny dropped a couple of years later. Would he surprise teams in the much more competitive PL with its many astute managers? I highly doubt it.

The general feeling also is that his pressing style has been found out and nullified.
I would hate Liverpool to get Ancelotti. Klopp I'd shrug my shoulders on. Proven himself as a manager, and certainly not a no mark like Rodgers was, but unproven nowhere other than the Bundesliga and there's only ever been Magath who's had a go at it from Germany.
It looks fraught with difficultly for him, tbh. I still dont see it happening though. Klopp probably knows he wont be a good traveller.

Klopp is a flakey German untried outside the Bundesliga.

I'm bringing all my vast expertise to bear on this - it will NOT be Klopp.

Overall - and another point you raised yesterday - I dont see Klopp's style having the impact on the PL as it did the Bundesliga. The high octane stuff he deploys is not unusual in the PL and the managers are here in spades who can nullify Klopps tactics.

If it's Klopp then it'll be a massively difficult for him to work the oracle here. His Dortmund success was basically to mug a complacent Bundesliga with pressing football. For a time he got it dead spot on right and translated that into progress in Europe for one season. Then Bayern showed them a clean pair of heels and they couldn't even compete in the Bundesliga.


By November the novelty will have worn off and they'll have a manager in place who has a lot to prove after last season's meltdown.
I just dont see him replicating anything like the type of success that he had in the Bundesliga - a league he was a manager in for 9 seasons before he achieved anything of note

It's not wishful thinking or anything. The only wish I had on the matter of their managerial appointment was that it wasn't Ancelotti. Klopp I'm unconcerned about. He's going to be a buffoon we can all lampoon I suspect.

My biggest doubt about Klopp remains, however, that his type of game is not all that in an English setting

It's difficult to keep on getting success. Klopp had a wave of glory and fell away.

Hard work is all he'll offer them. I've seen enough of him up close here at liverpool now to know they'll never play with flair. An ugly, no frils team. Very basic. Klopp's style is 99% perspiration 1% inspiration. Without Coutinho they're basically a Stoke or Southampton.



OK Dave, have another 13 of your posts about Klopp, yes mate you REALLY rated him lol
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Well i think from all that what comes through most strongly is a recognition that Klopp is not the usual bogus Messiah's Liverpool have had in the recent past and that Klopp has achieved in the game. The 'dismissiveness' is of the nature that he'd find it difficult to cope here in this league.


File under 'another smoking gun without the smoke'.
 
Klopp never deserved the hype that hey got with Mourinho and Pep at the beginning of the season. Some pundits even said he was the best of the 6 top managers.

He's won 3 major trophies in his career, in a league where there are 2 decent teams and he was guaranteed CL football. Mourinho and Pep have 2 European cups each and multiple league titles. Even Conte and Wenger have far better CVs. The reverence afforded to him this season after what he did in his last season at Dortmund and his first season at Liverpool was completely unfounded. The man has put together one decent half season in his last three yet was spoken about as being better than the two best managers in world football. Completely cringeworthy once again by a hysterical RS media who never learn. No wonder their team turn up to grounds thinking they've won before they even start if any of them read what gets written about them and their manager.

He's a good motivator, man manager, who had a fairly novel way of playing that can look very good in certain games. That's it. He's tactically nowhere near the best which is why he loses finals and comes up short in the league.

Don't worry, as soon as they beat Arsenal he'll go back to being the most innovative manager in Europe, and Liverpool will be back to being the greatest attacking force in the league. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
 

toffeejack said:
yeah i never rated those 3 above one iota, i just saw a bit of gomez at charlton and england youth and thought he stood out. Different kettle of fish with men, of course.

Yeah, wales desperately need some good young strikers coming through, the current crop are all championship standard.
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I'm probably harsh on Gomez. He had a bad injury. He did OK for them at left back when he first got in and they were bigging him up as if he were comparable to Stones. He may come back to do well but he looks a bit shot currently.

As for Woodburn I was really impressed with him last night. He looked like something would happen when he got the ball.
 
catcherintherye said:
I'm probably harsh on Gomez. He had a bad injury. He did OK for them at left back when he first got in and they were bigging him up as if he were comparable to Stones. He may come back to do well but he looks a bit shot currently.

As for Woodburn I was really impressed with him last night. He looked like something would happen when he got the ball.
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Woodburn is badly overrated by them mate, he will be playing lower league footy within 2 seasons

Remember rossiter?
 
davek said:
Well i think from all that what comes through most strongly is a recognition that Klopp is not the usual bogus Messiah's Liverpool have had in the recent past and that Klopp has achieved in the game. The 'dismissiveness' is of the nature that he'd find it difficult to cope here in this league.


File under 'another smoking gun without the smoke'.
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Not gonna argue the toss with you about it mate, it's there for people to make their own opinion about if they so wish
 
Saint Domingo said:
Klopp never deserved the hype that hey got with Mourinho and Pep at the beginning of the season. Some pundits even said he was the best of the 6 top managers.

He's won 3 major trophies in his career, in a league where there are 2 decent teams and he was guaranteed CL football. Mourinho and Pep have 2 European cups each and multiple league titles. Even Conte and Wenger have far better CVs. The reverence afforded to him this season after what he did in his last season at Dortmund and his first season at Liverpool was completely unfounded. The man has put together one decent half season in his last three yet was spoken about as being better than the two best managers in world football. Completely cringeworthy once again by a hysterical RS media who never learn. No wonder their team turn up to grounds thinking they've won before they even start if any of them read what gets written about them and their manager.

He's a good motivator, man manager, who had a fairly novel way of playing that can look very good in certain games. That's it. He's tactically nowhere near the best which is why he loses finals and comes up short in the league.

Don't worry, as soon as they beat Arsenal he'll go back to being the most innovative manager in Europe, and Liverpool will be back to being the greatest attacking force in the league. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
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They won';t beat Arsenal mate, Sanchez/Welbeck/Perez will absolutely destroy their high back line with Lucas or Klavan in it
 

Saint Domingo said:
Klopp never deserved the hype that hey got with Mourinho and Pep at the beginning of the season. Some pundits even said he was the best of the 6 top managers.

He's won 3 major trophies in his career, in a league where there are 2 decent teams and he was guaranteed CL football. Mourinho and Pep have 2 European cups each and multiple league titles. Even Conte and Wenger have far better CVs. The reverence afforded to him this season after what he did in his last season at Dortmund and his first season at Liverpool was completely unfounded. The man has put together one decent half season in his last three yet was spoken about as being better than the two best managers in world football. Completely cringeworthy once again by a hysterical RS media who never learn. No wonder their team turn up to grounds thinking they've won before they even start if any of them read what gets written about them and their manager.

He's a good motivator, man manager, who had a fairly novel way of playing that can look very good in certain games. That's it. He's tactically nowhere near the best which is why he loses finals and comes up short in the league.

Don't worry, as soon as they beat Arsenal he'll go back to being the most innovative manager in Europe, and Liverpool will be back to being the greatest attacking force in the league. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
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Klopp is a manager who built his reputation on capitalising on his style of play being perfectly suited to exposing the nature of the German league - which is teams nearly to a man play attacking football and go for the win (see the way wolfsburg where so open against us in the Europa in both legs - but created loads themselves)

The only thing which has kept them looking so far respectable is the stubborness of some of the other top6 managers to try go and play there own game rather than simply adjust to expose the huge weaknesses in Klopps system and his team, Spurs played a high line and attacked them at the pit, Arsenal and Chelsea both weng gung ho against them in their home games etc

United both games totally stifled them - and if they'd have opted to drop Ibra for the two games and gone with Rashford and Martial up top then they would have won both as they are vunerable as hell to pace, same with chelsea in the anfield game - lookily for them Chelsea, Spurs and United are actually really slow up front with Kane, Ibra and Costa all being relatively slow strikers, so there top 6 head to heads are hiding a massive flaw which is more and more being exposed against those teams that just tailpor the game plan for them
 
catcherintherye said:
Yes they do that with every young player, desperately envious of our record. I don't know long term how Woodburn will do but he did well last night.
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Lad was supposed to be the new owen/fowler for them mate after his cup game goal, he's already been moved possition wise in both the under 23's and in his games for the first team into a deeper role - sugggests they already wrote him off in his supposed best position

Now the rs fans are talking about him being able to be like a Xavi/Iniesta/Silva type player - that's some change around in the space of about 3 months, from fowler to Silva LOL
 

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