ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[Neiler]

Klopp is a very good manager, they are very lucky to have him, i wouldn't be surprised to see him at another PL club elsewhere or another CL club.

He has made three mistakes for my money though:

1) He is to sure of himself, they dont change tactics or evolve they play the same way against everyone and the league has cottoned on since December.

2) His squad is knackered, for the style of pressing they play their players are just out of puff.

3) There defense is woeful, teams in and around the relegation zone have a better defense. Im not even being dramatic there.

What also helps is the owners have no ambition, they are happy with par with the odd chance of the CL, all about building their investment as opposed to evolving.

They simply dont have the money to be competitive, the way they used to be, or the nous to recruit well and build a team from promising players to great players and challenge for a PL.

 

[degsy]

They are in big trouble. On a continued decline with a canvass that keep demanding more. Klopp represented a way to defeat that contradiction. If there was a man who could win against the odds it was him. It's falling apart now.

I read Paul Cope of TAW (a bitter little no mark of ever there was) whinging about Plymouth fans mocking them. He said one interesting thing. Why do Liverpool fans get laughed at for saying it's their year? Surely every fans think that?

As usual the no mark completely missed the point. People don't laugh at them for wanting to win the league. They laugh at them because they ignore, distort or outright lie about information to present a case to the world they are miles better than everyone else. They mock and jeer at others for not being as good as them (calculated on flimsy evidence such as alternative points tables). Then when it goes wrong as reality sets in there is never any humility or acknowledgement. Already they are resorting back to "its all about next season". The long and short of it is, people don't begrudge others wanting better things, they begrudge it when their neighbour spends all day bragging about all the ratings they have they expects sympathy when the HP agreement runs out.

I went one step further though. The delusion they have prevents them having an honest debate. The lads calling for Klopp to go are physically threatened, while anti FSG views are often censored on influential forums.

Let's look at things honestly. Liverpool are now a mediocre side and club. They've finished in the top 5 once in 7 years, possibly now 8. Compare that to the previous 8 years. He'll compare to our first 8 years under Moyes for which they mock us for irrelevance .

Strip it back in that way, you see a club that is mediocre and also a club that is steadily in decline. Factor in loss of CL revenues and owners not willing to front spending and the pot has run dry. There's no money this summer unless the owners front money's which they are patently not willing to do.

Rather than deal with the black and white above they've told the fans a little fairy story. Initially it was called money all. That's stats mean they can reverse the decline. Secondly it was the saviour was coming called Klopp who didn't need money. Both appear to the more discerning to be untruths.

They've been a badly run club for some time. They've spent a billion pounds to not win the league. Reducing funding is making the problem and the decline worse, as is their inability to grapple with the issue.

One final point, Klopp has lost the plot. This is the same process that happened at Dortmund but quicker. What was telling last night was a manager that is famed for a specific way of playing and never veering from it did exactly that. He went to a 3 at the back which looked woeful.

I have nothing against tactical flexibility in fact I am in favour of it. However Klopp has placed huge importance on his method. His whole M O is that by being unwavering in 1 way of playing they will know it better and thus Outdo some of the challenges they face mentioned above.

Well last night a side without a league goal all year out ran his Liverpool team and beat them at their own game. What was telling was Klopp then radically altered strategy. For me it's the beginning of the end. Like with Rodgers who started changing ways of playing and could never stop the rot I sense Klopp will have the same fate.

He didn't change system at Hull and told them off for not being good enough. Today though he knows a reprimand alone isn't enough to get them to win and he needs to adjust to a system he's never used.

This is no blip what is occurring. You have got the managed decline of Liverpool under foreign ownership, alongside unrealistic (and frankly delusional) expectations of fans with the boom and bust of Klopp. A toxic cocktail and one that could see them end up being pulled into a relegation dogfight.

By this summer we will have left them in our wing mirror if the accepted consensus of Usmanovs involvement is to be credited. I'll still not stop pitying them mind. Nothing will ever stop that and the hilarity of them losing their heads in a cyclical manner.

With a reputed 1st team squad of only 19 and some of them seriously average.
Add to that the fact that as a League the Prem is already an athletic run, run, run, press, press, press, league PLUS no mid winter break like in Germany to recharge the legs and minds...In fact Jan is one of, if not THE busiest months. It will be a good trick to pull off.

We will give them 3Pts more than likely
but if we win??

 

[DrEFC]

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[d34noj]

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[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Klopp is a very good manager, they are very lucky to have him, i wouldn't be surprised to see him at another PL club elsewhere or another CL club.

He has made three mistakes for my money though:

1) He is to sure of himself, they dont change tactics or evolve they play the same way against everyone and the league has cottoned on since December.

2) His squad is knackered, for the style of pressing they play their players are just out of puff.

3) There defense is woeful, teams in and around the relegation zone have a better defense. Im not even being dramatic there.

What also helps is the owners have no ambition, they are happy with par with the odd chance of the CL, all about building their investment as opposed to evolving.

They simply dont have the money to be competitive, the way they used to be, or the nous to recruit well and build a team from promising players to great players and challenge for a PL.

On point 2 - they'd not had a game for 16 days before last night, the kopites are clinging to tiredness being the reason, but it simply isn't.

They've been sussed out, simple as. Barring Spurs who for some reason decided to hold a high line against them, every other side they've played this year has sat deep, harried them in midfield and then hit them on the counter. In all of those 11 games they managed 1 win - at Plymouth, and lost 6 of them.

 

[Khalekan]

We can only hope that FSG remain in place for the long-haul.

They are slipping out of the elite certainly, as there are 2 sub-groups within the top six as I see it.

City, Utd, and Chelsea in a sort of mini-elite with the RS, Arsenal, and Spurs on the fringes.

I wouldn't ever underestimate their ability to come up smelling of roses, though.

Like it or not, they are an original brand club, and I don't see any serious evidence that their relatively poor league placings and lack of exposure to UCL has seriously hurt them. You can argue it certainly has, when compared to Utd in commercial terms but that is a separate argument.

I wonder how many successive years of failing to qualify for UCL it would take to significantly dent their brand and image?

At the moment, they manage to do little more than thread water, winning a cup every 6-8 years, and qualifying for UCL at almost the same frequency but even that is becoming more difficult. Their spell of good form up to Christmas also succeeded in keeping the distortion of reality and propaganda machine going.

Their problem is that the stakes are getting higher, with the margin for success becoming ever tighter. In that context they are much more prone to a period of instability and greater change, and I would not be at all confident if I was Klopp of being there this time next year.

What do you mean by an "original brand club"?

 

[degsy]

They will get a rich buyer. It is in the contract with satan,signed in blood.

The Chinese Govt... though they will be sailing under a flag of Convenience. Some Group or Fund...all of those big ticket entities are Govt backed

 

[canuckblue]

What do you mean by an "original brand club"?

Good question. They weren't even the original brand in their own stadium.

 

[kev]

It may be infantile humour, but I just spat coffee all over my keyboard lollollol


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[toffeejack]

Gomez is another over hyped Liverpool young star. File under Flannagan, Ibe and Rossiter.

Woodburn is considered by the Welsh FA to be a way behind Broadhead who plays with our reserves. That being said I thought he did well last night.

Sturbridge is injured again.

yeah i never rated those 3 above one iota, i just saw a bit of gomez at charlton and england youth and thought he stood out. Different kettle of fish with men, of course.

Yeah, wales desperately need some good young strikers coming through, the current crop are all championship standard.

 

[NewRadical]

Imagine we pipped them to 6th and then everyone who celebrated Utd winning on Sunday ends up with egg on their face.

I know what you mean I never want them to achieve anything and missing out would no doubt hurt their 'brand' and probably sponsorship deals.

On the other hand, given Klopp's style of play and him preferring to work with a small squad of players I think the Europa League commitments would destroy them - and we are currently witnessing a side that had no European fixtures this season who look worn out and creatively impotent.

I would love to see how the media dress up a RS failure due to 'lack of financial backing' if West Brom finish above them.

 

[toffeejack]

their new ceo

so he's gone from the light side of the moon of everton there to the dark side of the moon at mordor.

 

[TheFinnFan]

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[TheFinnFan]

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[toffeejack]

I know what you mean I never want them to achieve anything and missing out would no doubt hurt their 'brand' and probably sponsorship deals.

On the other hand, given Klopp's style of play and him preferring to work with a small squad of players I think the Europa League commitments would destroy them - and we are currently witnessing a side that had no European fixtures this season who look worn out and creatively impotent.

I would love to see how the media dress up a RS failure due to 'lack of financial backing' if West Brom finish above them.

exactly, i'm a bit torn. I'd rather them be in europe for the reasons you mention. They'd need to buy about 10 players in the summer, to not be in real trouble, after all. But then they did fluke their way to the final last season and nearly won a european trophy, so i won't be too pissed if they don't qualify.

Anyway, hopefully arsenal can actually buck the trend of the top 6, but wenger is a bit of a clueless moron these days and will play straight into their hands.

They are turning into a poorer version of wenger's arsenal over the last few years tbh.

Weak keeper (szchesney), a tall lanky centre back who gets outstripped for pace by any quick striker (mertesacker), lacking any reliable centre backs, failing to buy a proper DM who wins the ball, shoehorning attacking players into a defensive central mid role (rosicky, arteta, xhaka), shoving wide forwards/wingers into the striker role and leaving the actual striker on the bench regardless of how often they score (walcott/sanchez is mane/firminho vs giroud/sturridge).

this has been their problem for over half a decade and as arsenal keep doing, they fail to assess it every year or just buy poor imitations on the cheap or buy good players and have to shoehorn them into a different role instead of buying a specialist.
i.e. old cech vs mignolet, gabriel vs klavan, xhaka vs wijnaldum, arteta vs can, mane vs sanchez.