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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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bluestevon said:
Klopp I'm unconcerned about. He's going to be a buffoon we can all lampoon I suspect.


The problem is, it's old hat ('gegenpressing') and been mastered in the Bundesliga. Klopp will find it hard doing what he did 7 years ago at Dortmund over here


He'd be an obvious upgrade on the no mark clown who was just kicked out, but I still think Klopp is an enormous gamble. He's obviously a loose cannon. If things dont go well I think his time at both Mainz and Dortmund show that he can lash out at enemies real and perceived. And our media would have him going bananas in 6 months flat.
I just think he had his way of operating in the Bundesliga that caught everyone napping and he was able to build on that system successfully before the penny dropped a couple of years later. Would he surprise teams in the much more competitive PL with its many astute managers? I highly doubt it.

The general feeling also is that his pressing style has been found out and nullified.
I would hate Liverpool to get Ancelotti. Klopp I'd shrug my shoulders on. Proven himself as a manager, and certainly not a no mark like Rodgers was, but unproven nowhere other than the Bundesliga and there's only ever been Magath who's had a go at it from Germany.
It looks fraught with difficultly for him, tbh. I still dont see it happening though. Klopp probably knows he wont be a good traveller.

Klopp is a flakey German untried outside the Bundesliga.

I'm bringing all my vast expertise to bear on this - it will NOT be Klopp.

Overall - and another point you raised yesterday - I dont see Klopp's style having the impact on the PL as it did the Bundesliga. The high octane stuff he deploys is not unusual in the PL and the managers are here in spades who can nullify Klopps tactics.

If it's Klopp then it'll be a massively difficult for him to work the oracle here. His Dortmund success was basically to mug a complacent Bundesliga with pressing football. For a time he got it dead spot on right and translated that into progress in Europe for one season. Then Bayern showed them a clean pair of heels and they couldn't even compete in the Bundesliga.


By November the novelty will have worn off and they'll have a manager in place who has a lot to prove after last season's meltdown.
I just dont see him replicating anything like the type of success that he had in the Bundesliga - a league he was a manager in for 9 seasons before he achieved anything of note

It's not wishful thinking or anything. The only wish I had on the matter of their managerial appointment was that it wasn't Ancelotti. Klopp I'm unconcerned about. He's going to be a buffoon we can all lampoon I suspect.

My biggest doubt about Klopp remains, however, that his type of game is not all that in an English setting

It's difficult to keep on getting success. Klopp had a wave of glory and fell away.

Hard work is all he'll offer them. I've seen enough of him up close here at liverpool now to know they'll never play with flair. An ugly, no frils team. Very basic. Klopp's style is 99% perspiration 1% inspiration. Without Coutinho they're basically a Stoke or Southampton.



OK Dave, have another 13 of your posts about Klopp, yes mate you REALLY rated him lol
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The odd part is with Dave that's an incredibly astute analysis while others were losing their heads. I'd be very proud of such an analysis early doors.
 
They are in big trouble. On a continued decline with a canvass that keep demanding more. Klopp represented a way to defeat that contradiction. If there was a man who could win against the odds it was him. It's falling apart now.

I read Paul Cope of TAW (a bitter little no mark of ever there was) whinging about Plymouth fans mocking them. He said one interesting thing. Why do Liverpool fans get laughed at for saying it's their year? Surely every fans think that?

As usual the no mark completely missed the point. People don't laugh at them for wanting to win the league. They laugh at them because they ignore, distort or outright lie about information to present a case to the world they are miles better than everyone else. They mock and jeer at others for not being as good as them (calculated on flimsy evidence such as alternative points tables). Then when it goes wrong as reality sets in there is never any humility or acknowledgement. Already they are resorting back to "its all about next season". The long and short of it is, people don't begrudge others wanting better things, they begrudge it when their neighbour spends all day bragging about all the ratings they have they expects sympathy when the HP agreement runs out.

I went one step further though. The delusion they have prevents them having an honest debate. The lads calling for Klopp to go are physically threatened, while anti FSG views are often censored on influential forums.

Let's look at things honestly. Liverpool are now a mediocre side and club. They've finished in the top 5 once in 7 years, possibly now 8. Compare that to the previous 8 years. He'll compare to our first 8 years under Moyes for which they mock us for irrelevance .

Strip it back in that way, you see a club that is mediocre and also a club that is steadily in decline. Factor in loss of CL revenues and owners not willing to front spending and the pot has run dry. There's no money this summer unless the owners front money's which they are patently not willing to do.

Rather than deal with the black and white above they've told the fans a little fairy story. Initially it was called money all. That's stats mean they can reverse the decline. Secondly it was the saviour was coming called Klopp who didn't need money. Both appear to the more discerning to be untruths.

They've been a badly run club for some time. They've spent a billion pounds to not win the league. Reducing funding is making the problem and the decline worse, as is their inability to grapple with the issue.

One final point, Klopp has lost the plot. This is the same process that happened at Dortmund but quicker. What was telling last night was a manager that is famed for a specific way of playing and never veering from it did exactly that. He went to a 3 at the back which looked woeful.

I have nothing against tactical flexibility in fact I am in favour of it. However Klopp has placed huge importance on his method. His whole M O is that by being unwavering in 1 way of playing they will know it better and thus Outdo some of the challenges they face mentioned above.

Well last night a side without a league goal all year out ran his Liverpool team and beat them at their own game. What was telling was Klopp then radically altered strategy. For me it's the beginning of the end. Like with Rodgers who started changing ways of playing and could never stop the rot I sense Klopp will have the same fate.

He didn't change system at Hull and told them off for not being good enough. Today though he knows a reprimand alone isn't enough to get them to win and he needs to adjust to a system he's never used.

This is no blip what is occurring. You have got the managed decline of Liverpool under foreign ownership, alongside unrealistic (and frankly delusional) expectations of fans with the boom and bust of Klopp. A toxic cocktail and one that could see them end up being pulled into a relegation dogfight.

By this summer we will have left them in our wing mirror if the accepted consensus of Usmanovs involvement is to be credited. I'll still not stop pitying them mind. Nothing will ever stop that and the hilarity of them losing their heads in a cyclical manner.
 

catcher,
Rather than quote your post in full, I would add that what could happen next season is what happened at Dortmund before he left, in that he actually got Dortmund into a relgation dog-fight, as you stated here: "...This is the same process that happened at Dortmund but quicker..". The difference being, in the Bundesliga the quality of teams was far less than in the Prem, and he was able to haul them up the table. We have seen in the Prem that the quality of teams at the bottom/near the bottom is much better, and it is no easy ride to just pull a whole load of points out of the bag all of a sudden here. If they miss out on top 4, which I think they will as I can't see them finishing higher than Chelski, Spurs, ManUre(only a matter of time before they leap-frog the RS), Man Citeh or Arsenal, they won't have the CL to dangle in front of players in the summer, and could struggle to improve the squad. That is a real concern(for them), should their pressing style of play not produce the rewards/points it did in the first half of this season. Their 2017 form is relegation form...
 

catcherintherye said:
I think you are right mate. What's worrying for them is Lucas has become first fallback option. Gome now looks at best a lad who may get a squad in the championship. As for Matip I read somewhere they are paying him 110k per week. Yes it was a "free" but when wages are taken into account it looks like they've grossly overpaid.
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i though gomez was supposed to be hot property. Looked good the handful of times i've seen him. Has he flopped or is it just klopp not trusting him? I saw woodburn came on instead of sturridge, is strurridge injured again? Think he'll be off in the summer which would be great, because he's their only competent striker and is the only player of theirs i actually am concerned about in derbies.
 

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