zzebra
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lol That is comedy gold!
It's actually quite sad that someone has gone to the effort of making it and that the BBC deems it relevant to publish it!
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lol That is comedy gold!
It's actually quite sad that someone has gone to the effort of making it and that the BBC deems it relevant to publish it!
I do wonder if he actually feels embarrassed when he looks at it. Then again it's probably Chelsea's fault. Then again, this time, it is Chelsea's fault.
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Ballack is the only one I can think of, Hitlzesperger was good at villa, less so at Everton, Mustafi has only just arrived, Ozil is the only other one I can think of that has done well (sometimes struggles too), lukas podolski ?
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Didn't Klinsmann have a 1/2 ratio for goals?
bluestevon
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Ballack went from looking one of the top players in the world to being a squad player at Chelsea though, didn't live up to his billing.
catcherintherye
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A journalist did point out his first 80 games in charge (or equivalent) he had an identical record to LVG. The posh twerp from the Echo James Pearce then came out and rubbished the idea with very little credible evidence other than saying hero worship of the personality of Jurgen Klopp.
I think we will see a lot more of this from his defenders going forward. An anti-intellectualism and "alt facts" approach that is to focus on things that are not measurable. Ideas such as "feel good factor" "type of football" "gegenpressing" "long term plans" "youth/player development" will be trotted out alongside positivity around his demeanour to deflect away from hard evidence.
I know you follow The Anfield Wrap did you see tubby Atkinson's latest after the derby? He is one of the most intelligent of that bunch and has an ability to see the other perspective. Yet after the derby win he went on a massive rant that didn't make sense. If ever you ant evidence for heads rolling off this interview was it.
Alongside that he's been saying odd things like "we deserve to finish 2nd or third as we are second and 3rd best team, irrespective of where we finish". There's definitely a move to try to discredit actual evidence (such as the league table being important) and a hardening towards allowing for Kopite opinions to be treated as sacrosanct. As they begin to struggle and the upward trajectory slows expect to see a lot more of this.
catcherintherye
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I would agree with that. He's an idealist and seems unwilling to take shortcuts to win when necessary. Whats interesting is he's starting to doubt himself. Going to 3 at the back was never something he did (and wouldn't work in his system) yet he has done it 2 or 3 times now (Leicester and Bournemouth) to name but two. Neither occasion it worked. I wonder if it's the first chinks in the armoury and acknowledgement his system doesn't really work in England.
hallamblue
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I don't think he's an idealist, did you see that hoof for Coutinho's goal? He just can't organise a defence.
The Anfield Wrap is a hotbed of melt activity.
catcherintherye
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They've lost their heads over us. Its not been done in the manner I thought, but you can tel by the tone in their voice they are massively irritated by us. It won't be long until they are scared. Did you hear Atkinson's post derby interview?
bluestevon
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Not listened to the post Derby one yet mate, tend to swerve anything they do when it involves us as generally it's just a wumming attempt by them so why bother.
Noticed the more other fans are starting to get annoyed by Klopp's persona,the more even the more reasonable koppites are buying into his cult of personality now though
bluestevon
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He is the prefect manager for them in truth,his system will almost always guarantee a very good start to a season (cue them celebrating league title at xmas etc), the way the league cup is sorted here, he will tend to do well in that also (with it being predominantly played early season), he will progress through groups in Europe easily and they will, take some big results, but business end of the season (which is ultimately what counts) his team can't and won't be able to sustain it's earlier form and workrate, and the league is too strong at the top to allow them to build up enough points to get over the line when they falter.
At some point - 3-4 seasons in, the penny will start to drop with the smarter ones
catcherintherye
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Yes thats true.
https://audioboom.com/posts/5781340-neil-atkinson Thats the link. Without trying to destroy his argument (easy to do) what I find curious is he waits until after the derby to start shouting his mouth off. "No Everton player gets in our team". "Everton are stuck on an island" "Everton are 12 players away from being able to compete with the top 6" "Everton are miles away from Liverpool" "it doesn't matter if we concede less goals, all their defenders are still better" "even if they finish in the top 6, they are still not good enough for the top 6" "Everton haven't had a good player since Limpar" etc
The arguments are completely stupid, as I said I don't need to point out the ridiculousness of each one. However what is curious is this is not a stupid man, or a man who's unable to come to a fair and balanced perspective. He isn't just your standard Kopite goon, yet talking about Everton, having beaten them a few days earlier reduces him to that. You can hear from the tone of his voice, that his head has completely gone. He's making no sense.
See how he tone of voice changes when it comes to the subject of their former player Collymore suggesting Everton may be able to overtake Liverpool. He just loses the plot. You can hear the anger. He even states "I wasn't rude in response then, but I'll be rude about it now". He also states that it's important for Kopites to start adopting this rudeness henceforth. By Rudeness (it is rude) he also means disillusionment, bitterness and anger.
For him winning a derby gave him an excuse to let out the fear he is feeling, the mask slipped. I've never seen a Kopite so wound up by an article suggesting Everton might be doing ok. As I said it's indicative of the fear that is lurking underneath currently. Ok it hasn't translated to recruitment of players, league position or ground progress at the speed we would like or they fear at a surface level, but underneath nagging away at them is the knowledge that if Moshiri is serious, you are looking at a game changing moment.
What Atkinson does in this interview will be symbolic of what they will start to do. Use isolated examples where possible to try to assert the traditional order is still in existence, irrespective of the concrete evidence faced with. Any Kopites who don't will be outed and attacked. -Everton concede less goals than them- "their defence is rubbish Klopp just players more offensively."- Everton's have a higher goalscorer-" It's not Klopp's game to have a top goalscorer, we wouldn't want him". Everton get a superior ground- "A ground isn't that important anyway, what matters is league position".
There will be a hardening around Klopp. They are panicking though. You can hear it. Just think how much it will be amplified if we have a positive summer window.
catcherintherye
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The best manager they've had in my lifetime was Benitez, then Houllier. Both were hounded out in the end but both lacked the charisma of Klopp. Benitez understood though the need to have a squad, rotate and plan for the entirety of a season when he would generally do well at the back end. He basically dragged them into the 21st century.
You are spot on about Klopp. He will front load at the start of season's. They didn't lose the league in January, it had already gone. it had gone around West Ham & Bournemouth as I said and they mocked. They hadn't built up enough of a lead. This isn't just a common sense view, also several fitness coaches of top teams have said the way he approaches season will see them massively short come the end.
I also think they are going to become increasingly liable to injuries. Make no mistake this is not bad luck. Henderson and Lallana have pushed worryingly close to the edge most games. Henderson's knock was meant to be a 2 week injury yet here he is 6 weeks later seeing a specialist. The idiots rushed back Mane, Firmino and Coutinho from international matches and will cry when the overloading of games in a short space of time burns them out. Mane won't play again this season. I suspect Lallana, Lovren and Henderson will continue to be injury prone.
He is used to playing in a German league that when he won it was very weak (as soon as Bayern got their act together his Dortmund team fell away). They also had a winter break, and he almost attacked both halves of the season. It's clear the bottom sides have worked him out and it's only a mater of time until the top teams show them the same respect and Mourinho them. Beyond blowing teams away I don't see much they have.
They defeated us well, but lets be clear they got their best player Coutinho to ruthlessly exploit the lack of experience of the two lads on the right side of our defence. Had Coleman been playing, I find it hard to see them scoring any of the 3 goals they score. We probably win that game in an ugly 1-0 game like lots of others have done there.
Time is ticking for them. It will all end up blowing up as it did for Dortmund, the question is how quickly it happens and how severe it will be.
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