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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"
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ScouseBlueBoy
Player Valuation: £15m
OK, I’ve had a few days to stew this over. I’d like to share some thoughts with you all.
It seems to me like this ‘King Kenny’ lark has gone to Dalglish’s head. He is actually beginning to believe that he IS the KING of Anfield in a most disturbing way. He is seeing himself as a ruler issuing edicts and proclamations with no process of intermediary editing. He has become autocratic in a way which is less ‘Good King Wenceslas’ and more ‘Saddam Hussein’.
Stating his ‘party line’ he is firm in the belief that if you do not hold the view he has put forward you are NOT wanted at the club. You are therefore to be excommunicated. Period. No discussion. Out.
Looking at the redness of his eyes in recent photos, you can see the stress mixed with paranoia and megalomania. And sauce.
The problem is, the fanatics who lap it all up are rather dangerous – as we have witnessed particularly on Collymore’s Twitter.
There’s a little competition as to which ‘fanatic’ is the greater zealot – all to please their ‘King’. How is this unquestioning loyalty to be rewarded?
All getting a bit ‘Apocalype Now’ innit.
Oh, MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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It seems to me like this ‘King Kenny’ lark has gone to Dalglish’s head. He is actually beginning to believe that he IS the KING of Anfield in a most disturbing way. He is seeing himself as a ruler issuing edicts and proclamations with no process of intermediary editing. He has become autocratic in a way which is less ‘Good King Wenceslas’ and more ‘Saddam Hussein’.
Stating his ‘party line’ he is firm in the belief that if you do not hold the view he has put forward you are NOT wanted at the club. You are therefore to be excommunicated. Period. No discussion. Out.
Looking at the redness of his eyes in recent photos, you can see the stress mixed with paranoia and megalomania. And sauce.
The problem is, the fanatics who lap it all up are rather dangerous – as we have witnessed particularly on Collymore’s Twitter.
There’s a little competition as to which ‘fanatic’ is the greater zealot – all to please their ‘King’. How is this unquestioning loyalty to be rewarded?
All getting a bit ‘Apocalype Now’ innit.
Oh, MERRY CHRISTMAS!
xLet's try a bit of objectivity:
Events leading up to & including the Tribunal
Q1. Did Evra say something (unpleasant) to Suarez?
Quite possibly so but that would be a matter for the FA to decide - in itself it doesn't make the charge against Suarez any less appropriate - if there is a case for Evra to answer then that surely would have been carefully considered.
Q2. Did Suarez reply - if so was it reasonable?
There is clearly an indication that he knew what he was doing - it was certainly with the intent to unsettle & "sledge" Evra. It would also appear that this 'cute' defence (having admitted the words he said) of verbal niceties as he wasn't inviting Evra out for a post match beer was he? perpetuated by many is a convenient smokescreen to deflect from the seriousness of the offence & there is a possibility that the 8 match ban is (potentially) excessive in order to stop others (and especially the likes of those who might have got away with it in the past - Emre) from doing likewise.
Q3. Was Suarez guilty of any breach of common/criminal law?
Apparently not since he's been found guilty of using Racist Comments - it's NOT ok to abuse someone for the colour of their skin but clearly there ARE degrees of guilt (ranging from name calling to serious abuse & physical violence etc.) Clearly the presentation of one man's word (admitted by the perpetrator) was enough for an FA Tribunal but (beyond reasonable doubt) in a court of law almost certainly another matter.
Q4. Was Suarez guilty of a breach of FA Rules?
It's there in the rules regarding abusing another player so a case was there to be answered.
Q5. Was Suarez given an opportunity to give his side of the story - to his manager, legal representatives, at the FA hearing - & have they 'picked on him' as a non-Brit?
Obviously, there was a significant time gap between the event & the hearing. It's clear he's stood by his (seemingly) flawed argument that he wasn't "being racist" etc. This defence however has failed.
Q6. Does Suarez have the opportunity to appeal the decision?
Yes, the player has been given 14 days to appeal.
Events since the announcement of the 8 match ban
Q7. Have LFC gone about this in the appropriate manner?
Since there are serious financial implications in play - Liverpool might lose points, they have lost sight of the truth & have continued to abuse the process - through their statement on their OS, the message sent by the shirts worn by their players & the continued stance they are taking. One can appreciate the loss they are likely to feel as a reason for their position (and obviously their desire to defend one of their own). Nevertheless it is heavy handed, small minded & patently (at this stage of proceedings) wrong.
Q8. Have LFC fans gone about this in the appropriate manner?
Absolutely not - but would we expect any less - heightened by the campaign being conducted by the club, their media representatives (by and large) - Objectively I have to say absolutely not - but this is a bunch of fools being lead by the morally bankrupt! It's certainly ruined their Christmas which has made mine & fans of every other club but theirs. Then again they never are the guilty ones, are they? It's a conspiracy!!
Q9. Is the Terry case relevant?
Not really - but the findings might have set a precedent if Terry was to be dealt with by the FA alone. Hopefully we won't see him punished twice if he is found guilty by a court of law (but I suspect we will)
Q10. Can anyone have sympathy for the stance the players, clubs, fans have taken in the light of all of the above?
Only in so much as the case was a little bit dubious BUT only, I believe, based on the media campaign waged to discredit Evra, support Suarez etc. One can assume that all that has been eliminated & dealt with correctly.
Events leading up to & including the Tribunal
Q1. Did Evra say something (unpleasant) to Suarez?
Quite possibly so but that would be a matter for the FA to decide - in itself it doesn't make the charge against Suarez any less appropriate - if there is a case for Evra to answer then that surely would have been carefully considered.
Q2. Did Suarez reply - if so was it reasonable?
There is clearly an indication that he knew what he was doing - it was certainly with the intent to unsettle & "sledge" Evra. It would also appear that this 'cute' defence (having admitted the words he said) of verbal niceties as he wasn't inviting Evra out for a post match beer was he? perpetuated by many is a convenient smokescreen to deflect from the seriousness of the offence & there is a possibility that the 8 match ban is (potentially) excessive in order to stop others (and especially the likes of those who might have got away with it in the past - Emre) from doing likewise.
Q3. Was Suarez guilty of any breach of common/criminal law?
Apparently not since he's been found guilty of using Racist Comments - it's NOT ok to abuse someone for the colour of their skin but clearly there ARE degrees of guilt (ranging from name calling to serious abuse & physical violence etc.) Clearly the presentation of one man's word (admitted by the perpetrator) was enough for an FA Tribunal but (beyond reasonable doubt) in a court of law almost certainly another matter.
Q4. Was Suarez guilty of a breach of FA Rules?
It's there in the rules regarding abusing another player so a case was there to be answered.
Q5. Was Suarez given an opportunity to give his side of the story - to his manager, legal representatives, at the FA hearing - & have they 'picked on him' as a non-Brit?
Obviously, there was a significant time gap between the event & the hearing. It's clear he's stood by his (seemingly) flawed argument that he wasn't "being racist" etc. This defence however has failed.
Q6. Does Suarez have the opportunity to appeal the decision?
Yes, the player has been given 14 days to appeal.
Events since the announcement of the 8 match ban
Q7. Have LFC gone about this in the appropriate manner?
Since there are serious financial implications in play - Liverpool might lose points, they have lost sight of the truth & have continued to abuse the process - through their statement on their OS, the message sent by the shirts worn by their players & the continued stance they are taking. One can appreciate the loss they are likely to feel as a reason for their position (and obviously their desire to defend one of their own). Nevertheless it is heavy handed, small minded & patently (at this stage of proceedings) wrong.
Q8. Have LFC fans gone about this in the appropriate manner?
Absolutely not - but would we expect any less - heightened by the campaign being conducted by the club, their media representatives (by and large) - Objectively I have to say absolutely not - but this is a bunch of fools being lead by the morally bankrupt! It's certainly ruined their Christmas which has made mine & fans of every other club but theirs. Then again they never are the guilty ones, are they? It's a conspiracy!!
Q9. Is the Terry case relevant?
Not really - but the findings might have set a precedent if Terry was to be dealt with by the FA alone. Hopefully we won't see him punished twice if he is found guilty by a court of law (but I suspect we will)
Q10. Can anyone have sympathy for the stance the players, clubs, fans have taken in the light of all of the above?
Only in so much as the case was a little bit dubious BUT only, I believe, based on the media campaign waged to discredit Evra, support Suarez etc. One can assume that all that has been eliminated & dealt with correctly.
Well they certainly have to put up with a similar amount of Sh1t from their neighbours..
The Equaliser
Player Valuation: £50m
It only took until post#6 until they started blaming every other club as well though, which kinda negates their argument about us. Fookin' hilarious stuff.
All the sh**e posted by kopites on different forums should be made into a book. It would be a best-seller next xmas
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
I pity that migs, but that lot really have made my christmas this year.
Also has anyone spotted the difference between the treatment afforded Suarez (who broke FA rules) and the treatment afforded that Itandje (who didnt) yet?
Jamo Martinez
Player Valuation: £70m
I can't even remember what he did.
bluejock
Boss coat aficionado
Did he not say something daft at a Hillsborough memorial service?
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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No he sat there giggling, tbf I would've given him a slap on their behalf.
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
The Unobstructed View
Ha Ha
bluejock
Boss coat aficionado
That was it. Yeah, he was a prat like. Would've been interesting to see if it was a key player, as opposed to a reserve goalie with no first team prospects. Would they still have hounded him out the club?
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