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Electronic music thread

longers said:
Heard this played on a proper rig the other night. Not often you hear a tune in 17/8 time tear up a dance floor. It's pretty much sonic perfection from a production standpoint, in probably the hardest to produce genre out there.

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Sonic perfection?, sounds pretty bog standard to me, Squarepusher and Luke Vibert we’re making DnB light years ahead of that in the 90’s
 

OnlyBlueWillDo said:
Sonic perfection?, sounds pretty bog standard to me, Squarepusher and Luke Vibert we’re making DnB light years ahead of that in the 90’s
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I love Squarepusher and Vibert far more than I like Noisia but you you're chatting wham if you think Noisia is bog standard production, serious mega levels of wham. It's pretty bizarre to compare them to Vibert and Squarepusher as well who were never a part of the DNB scene and just made some jungly style tunes like 'Tundra' for a period during the mid 90s. Would have been more logical to compare Noisia to someone like Optical or Photos who were at the forefront of DNB in the mid 90's and pushy the original 'tech' sound of DNB.

Squarepusher is a legend for his creativity, his music shits over Noisia without question but there is nothing amazing but the production on those 90's records, at the time it was amazing... but we're 20 years on now and production standards have increased massively. His amazingness is in his creativity and his raw musical ability, not so much his ability to mix a record so it sounds like sonic perfection on a Funktion 1 sound system.

I've been a DNB head since the mid 90's, all my favourite DNB is from that period but im not going to try and claim production standards were better back then because they weren't. Play a Noisia tune in a club alongside a 90's DNB tune and the 90's tune will sound incredibly weak in comparison simply because production standards have improved so much over the past 20 years.
 
longers said:
I love Squarepusher and Vibert far more than I like Noisia but you you're chatting wham if you think Noisia is bog standard production, serious mega levels of wham. It's pretty bizarre to compare them to Vibert and Squarepusher as well who were never a part of the DNB scene and just made some jungly style tunes like 'Tundra' for a period during the mid 90s. Would have been more logical to compare Noisia to someone like Optical or Photos who were at the forefront of DNB in the mid 90's and pushy the original 'tech' sound of DNB.

Squarepusher is a legend for his creativity, his music shits over Noisia without question but there is nothing amazing but the production on those 90's records, at the time it was amazing... but we're 20 years on now and production standards have increased massively. His amazingness is in his creativity and his raw musical ability, not so much his ability to mix a record so it sounds like sonic perfection on a Funktion 1 sound system.

I've been a DNB head since the mid 90's, all my favourite DNB is from that period but im not going to try and claim production standards were better back then because they weren't. Play a Noisia tune in a club alongside a 90's DNB tune and the 90's tune will sound incredibly weak in comparison simply because production standards have improved so much over the past 20 years.
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Sonic perfection comes from the mastering, which obviously is better these days and can be paid for.

Technical ability, creativity and skill can not be bought unless you hire a ghost producer, that's what Pusher and Vibert had back then that surpasses anything Nosia has now, or ever will have.

Who gives a crap if they were part of the scene, they took the DnB blueprint and showed what could be done with it.
 
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OnlyBlueWillDo said:
Sonic perfection comes from the mastering, which obviously is better these days and can be paid for.
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You can't master a piece of turd into gold. The majority of making a tune sound great comes in the production phase, not the mastering.

OnlyBlueWillDo said:
Technical ability, creativity and skill can not be bought unless you hire a ghost producer, that's what Pusher and Vibert had back then that surpasses anything Nosia has now, or ever will have.
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Noisia don't use ghost producers, so i don't know what your point is other than you prefer Squarepusher and Luke Vibert, which is fine, So do I.

OnlyBlueWillDo said:
Who gives a crap if they were part of the scene, they took the DnB blueprint and showed what could be done with it.
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It's just an odd comparison to make, comparing drastically different artists who make drastically different music for different audiences.
 

longers said:
You can't master a piece of turd into gold. The majority of making a tune sound great comes in the production phase, not the mastering.



Noisia don't use ghost producers, so i don't know what your point is other than you prefer Squarepusher and Luke Vibert, which is fine, So do I.



It's just an odd comparison to make, comparing drastically different artists who make drastically different music for different audiences.
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I think it would have been very easy for Vibert and Sqaurepusher to make bog standard DnB that would have destroyed the "scene" but they were already involved in more cutting edge genres that were pushing production to new levels. Instead they made DnB tracks at the time that said "How the frig are they doing that...", when I listen to Nosia tunes, I don't wonder how they are making that, it is pretty simple stuff with selection of sounds being key.

You are talking about clarity and selection of sounds somehow surpassing creative ideas and production techniques never heard before in a genre of music, each to their own I guess but I know what fascinates me more and I make my own tracks and know what goes into production.

If you want to marvel at sonic production, there is much more of that going on in the Techno scene than any other I care to remember at present.
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
I think it would have been very easy for Vibert and Sqaurepusher to make bog standard DnB that would have destroyed the "scene" but they were already involved in more cutting edge genres that were pushing production to new levels. Instead they made DnB tracks at the time that said "How the frig are they doing that...",
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I agree with this (Squarepusher more so)

OnlyBlueWillDo said:
when I listen to Nosia tunes, I don't wonder how they are making that, it is pretty simple stuff with selection of sounds being key.
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It's definitely not pretty simple although it may sound like that to someone who isn't aware of the complexities of producing this type of music to a very high level. The amount of work that goes into making it sound how it does is insane, they have absolutely mastered their craft, of this there is no doubt.

There is a reason they have the reputation they do, there is a reason they have done sound design for hollywood films, they are incredibly talented producers regardless of whether you like their music.

OnlyBlueWillDo said:
You are talking about clarity and selection of sounds somehow surpassing creative ideas and production techniques never heard before in a genre of music, each to their own I guess but I know what fascinates me more and I make my own tracks and know what goes into production.
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Im not sure what gave you this impression, I've certainly not suggested this anywhere in my posts. I'm a full believer that ideas and creativity come before production, Burial being a perfect example of this.

With that said i definitely care more about production than the average person simply because im a production nerd who studied audio engineering. I admire great production regardless of whether i love the music or not similar to how i admire Joe Satriani's technical ability on a guitar whilst disliking his music at the same time.
 
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