Elstone to leave

[blueblue]

Not all our problems but perhaps the culture of inferiority they have established in the club. The culture that’s stopped us winning trophies, stopped us winning derbies, stopped us winning away at top grounds, almost stopped us winning away all together. We were poor in the 90s but never had these ridiculous long records of failure that they have now ensconced in the fabric of the club.

I wonder if Elstone had been at Man City in recent years, would they have failed to win trophies under his stewardship.

Maybe, he did as well as could be done with what he had to work with.

I really don't have any feelings towards Elstone one way or the other but as a fanbase we really seem to need somebody to blame, a scapegoat with our lack of success completely down to them.

The real cause of our lack of success... is lack of money.

 

[orly]

It's being replaced by a culture of naive spending, a culture created by our naive and completely out of depth owner.

How can an owner be out their depth ffs, ridiculous statement.

Owner key skills:

Do you have money?
Will you use your money to buy company (club in this instance)?
Are you intent on making this club or company profitable?
Do you leave the day to day management to others with particular skillsets?

4/4 yes. So he's where he should be.

 

[Connor]

I wonder if Elstone had been at Man City in recent years, would they have failed to win trophies under his stewardship.

Maybe, he did as well as could be done with what he had to work with.

I really don't have any feelings towards Elstone one way or the other but as a fanbase we really seem to need somebody to blame, a scapegoat with our lack of success completely down to them.

The real cause of our lack of success... is lack of money.

Which is also his fault due to his absolutely League One standard sponsorship and commercial deals he has negotiated during his tenure.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I wonder if Elstone had been at Man City in recent years, would they have failed to win trophies under his stewardship.

Maybe, he did as well as could be done with what he had to work with.

I really don't have any feelings towards Elstone one way or the other but as a fanbase we really seem to need somebody to blame, a scapegoat with our lack of success completely down to them.

The real cause of our lack of success... is lack of money.

He’s consistently had us lagging behind the likes of Newcastle and West Ham in commercial deals. These sides have been in the championship whilst we were in Europe. You can’t buy an Everton shirt anywhere thanks to his ridiculous kit bag partnership, and under his watch we have appointed Martinez Koeman and Allardyce. He clearly didn’t have a succession plan in place for Koeman leaving. We seemed to be mortgaged upto our eyeballs before Moshiri came and every single capital project he tried ended up failing. All he’s done is presided over a period of stability that Moyes brought and counted the beans whilst fobbing Evertonians off whenever he got the opportunity.

A complete nothing CEO.

 

[blueblue]

Which is also his fault due to his absolutely League One standard sponsorship and commercial deals he has negotiated during his tenure.

Fair point.

 

[ijjysmith]

I bet he takes this job and keeps the one here too.

The bad nobber.

 

[mkrudden]

How can an owner be out their depth ffs, ridiculous statement.

Owner key skills:

Do you have money?
Will you use your money to buy company (club in this instance)?
Are you intent on making this club or company profitable?
Do you leave the day to day management to others with particular skillsets?

4/4 yes. So he's where he should be.

ok by definition of owner, fine.

What about using chairman? or person responsible? the person who is in charge of the culture of the club and, importantly, the progression.

I like Moshiri has money but he's been naive. I am not putting words in your electronic mouth but I cannot imagine you can argue against that?

So we've gone from a culture of "Plucky little Everton with no money" to "Everton have loads of money and buy Ashley Williams + 4x Number 10s and no striker".

To go back to your bullet point:

Do you have money? Yes- agreed
Will you use your money to buy company (club in this instance)? Yes - agreed
Are you intent on making this club or company profitable? But this is the point. Intention is not enough is it? Ploughing 200m into a squad and, more crucially, a manager because he was a fantastic CB reeks of naivety. Continuing to do so (given now Big Sam is there with all of his failings) isn't likely to lead to profitability. Or are you purely talking about a stadium?
Do you leave the day to day management to others with particular skillsets?
But again, he chooses those individuals. He's brought in Walsh, Koeman, Allardyce... the list goes on. He's at the top and his 2 years has led to nothing. That's his naivety. Just because he hasn't identified player x doesn't mean he isn't ultimately responsible because he employs the guy who has.

 

[blueblue]

He’s consistently had us lagging behind the likes of Newcastle and West Ham in commercial deals. These sides have been in the championship whilst we were in Europe. You can’t buy an Everton shirt anywhere thanks to his ridiculous kit bag partnership, and under his watch we have appointed Martinez Koeman and Allardyce. He clearly didn’t have a succession plan in place for Koeman leaving. We seemed to be mortgaged upto our eyeballs before Moshiri came and every single capital project he tried ended up failing. All he’s done is presided over a period of stability that Moyes brought and counted the beans whilst fobbing Evertonians off whenever he got the opportunity.

A complete nothing CEO.

I agree with your comments about the commercial side.

Regarding the finances, he is a paid employee of the club not an owner or investor. I think that without being wealthy we had become stable with Elstone in charge we were never ever ever going to be able to do what we are doing now without the introduction of a wealthy owner into the club. Regarding a succession plan for Koeman.. was that Elstone or the owner of the club ?

I am not pparticularly trying to defend Elstone but I think as with most things Evertonian there is a complete lack of balance in the criticism.

 

[bluestevon]

How can an owner be out their depth ffs, ridiculous statement.

Owner key skills:

Do you have money?
Will you use your money to buy company (club in this instance)?
Are you intent on making this club or company profitable?
Do you leave the day to day management to others with particular skillsets?

4/4 yes. So he's where he should be.

Not out of his depth, just needs to start bringing people in who not only know the business but are also good at their jobs, he inherited ones who may know the business but are absolutely shocking at it.

Moshiri can't be truly judged until he has bought out the others with the supposed option he has and then we can see if others where holding him back from making bold decisions or holding him in check from making appalling decisions etc

 

[Jamiednm]

Everton should hold an Apprentice-style, 10-week TV series to find his successor.

It could be called 'The Apprentice', and feature Moshiri as a wise-cracking ball breaker. Each week, the candidates could be assigned a task relevant to the role of Everton CEO, and the least-worst-performing candidates eventually win through to the final, where they face-off against each other in a bid to become the new 'Everton CEO Apprentice'.

Tasks could include:

• Devise a strategy to present news to fans and shareholders that the clubs latest stadium plans have fallen through.
• Set up a generic, off-brand sports retail brand through which to market and sell official club replica merchandise.
• Create a 'diversity' campaign aimed at attracting members of the LGBT community and ethnic minorities to support Everton.
• Devise a communications/PR strategy to deflect attention from a recent, poorly-received and inflammatory diversity campaign.
• Design a huge publicity stunt to publicise a small community project.
• Lead the club's in-house communications department to handle the news that guest mascot Mr. Testicles has fled to South America after he was named in a nationwide fraud investigation.

 

[orly]

Because of the media, 'look at me' dominance of Kenwright, people are losing track of how much more important a CEO is in setting the performance of a company. It's strategic direction, managing teams, making the right appointments to key posts, signing off on the largest deals, managing crises, being the public 'face' of the company, owning the successes and failures.

In what area has Elstone, since 2009, been a success? He's overseen two stadium failures (WHP and Kirkby), some of the worst deals imaginable (forget the financials, how did he not see that not being able to buy Everton shirts widely was terrible press?) , and at least one period where the banks were about to get very heavy with us. The public perception of the stadium project for B-M is that it has stalled or there is very little tangible.

In all seriousness, can you name a single Elstone triumph since he has been here? One initiative that he has lead? EiTC is almost entirely the domain (and public credit) of Baxendale.

He's had nearly a decade of failures. No other multimillion pound industry would tolerate it, it's the madness of football.

 

[bluestevon]

Because of the media, 'look at me' dominance of Kenwright, people are losing track of how much more important a CEO is in setting the performance of a company. It's strategic direction, managing teams, making the right appointments to key posts, signing off on the largest deals, managing crises, being the public 'face' of the company, owning the successes and failures.

In what area has Elstone, since 2009, been a success? He's overseen two stadium failures (WHP and Kirkby), some of the worst deals imaginable (forget the financials, how did he not see that not being able to buy Everton shirts widely was terrible press?) , and at least one period where the banks were about to get very heavy with us. The public perception of the stadium project for B-M is that it has stalled or there is very little tangible.

In all seriousness, can you name a single Elstone triumph since he has been here? One initiative that he has lead? EiTC is almost entirely the domain (and public credit) of Baxendale.

He's had nearly a decade of failures. No other multimillion pound industry would tolerate it, it's the madness of football.

Only thing he has been successful at is keeping his own job and managing to dodge the full blame for every single disastrous deal he's done.

he's a world class operator at covering his own arse

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Message to Robert Elstone: Koff.

 

[COYBL25]

Because of the media, 'look at me' dominance of Kenwright, people are losing track of how much more important a CEO is in setting the performance of a company. It's strategic direction, managing teams, making the right appointments to key posts, signing off on the largest deals, managing crises, being the public 'face' of the company, owning the successes and failures.

In what area has Elstone, since 2009, been a success? He's overseen two stadium failures (WHP and Kirkby), some of the worst deals imaginable (forget the financials, how did he not see that not being able to buy Everton shirts widely was terrible press?) , and at least one period where the banks were about to get very heavy with us. The public perception of the stadium project for B-M is that it has stalled or there is very little tangible.

In all seriousness, can you name a single Elstone triumph since he has been here? One initiative that he has lead? EiTC is almost entirely the domain (and public credit) of Baxendale.

He's had nearly a decade of failures. No other multimillion pound industry would tolerate it, it's the madness of football.

One area that Elstone has been a success in since 2009 - maintaining an all year round tan for the best part of 9 yrs.

 

[Jamiednm]

One area that Elstone has been a success in since 2009 - maintaining an all year round tan for the best part of 9 yrs.

Yes, I notice that he generally carries himself in a mocha tone.