Everton January 2022 Transfer Thread

[davek]

Do you think the Moshiri Approval poll is representative of the feelings of the fanbase Dave? 90% against him.

25% want him here in the Benitez thread.

Anyway, that 's the thread where I joust with you BOBA lot.

This thread is for transfers.

 

[matty1878]

25% want him here in the Benitez thread.

Anyway, that 's the thread where I joust with you BOBA lot.

This thread is for transfers.

the 25% have alcohol abuse issues

 

[hktoffee]

Need another CB if we sell Holgate. Mina regularly injured. Leaves us with Keane, Godfrey and Branthwaite. And as much as I like Godfrey and Branthwaite, neither are ready to lead the back line and Keane is far from good enough.

Will buy a new CB in the summer. Just hope Mina can stay fit from now on till the summer.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

the 25% have alcohol abuse issues

25% are Dave's multi accounts

 

[hktoffee]

Wake up... wake up hk, it's time for school

You may say i'm a dreamer but i'm not the only one.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Benitez has pedigree in football, Moshiri does not.

So does a crufts champion 2mins before it gets put to sleep.

Doesn't mean it can still run the obstacle course.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Sorry but saying that 22 year olds are on the verge of being too old to sign is just too much for me I'm going to have to bow out.

That's not what I said though. I said the average age should be around 22 which is what we haven't been doing.

The way I read your take on the situation is we should simply sign good players and that's not a real strategy.

 

[JimmyK]

All day long this.

The players like Delph, James, etc. That when they get here it all gets a bit comfy with no expectations- pick and choose when they play and standards drop off.

Young, hungry, up and coming players or players with a point to prove- the sort we used to sign in Baines, Pienaar, Cahill, Coleman, Fellaini, Arteta. I see similarities with Gray, Patterson and Mykolenko.

Thats why I would much rather we go for Johnson of Forest than Coutinho to help develop and grow a club of players that want to be here and have the desire to improve and grow together.

*Caveat- I do have a feeling Coutinho will go somewhere and make a real difference to them ie. Villa.

I keep saying it but it's all about how good the players are and how they fit in not where we sign them from or how old they are. Gana wasn't young and on paper at least didn't have a point to prove but he was a good signing whereas Kean was young and on paper had a point to prove but he wasn't a good signing. Loads of this stuff is said in hindsight and the narrative is fitted to what we want it to be so if Gbamin and Iwobi come in and are great then they were great signings who had points to prove but because they didn't do that it means they were the wrong profile of signing.

 

[windymiller]

Benitez has pedigree in football, Moshiri does not.

And instead of debating you prefer to stamp your feet like the rest of the BOBA.

You are the one who refuses to engage in debate, David. You seek to denigrate anyone who disagrees with you.

Benitez has a dreadful record at this club, he was pretty hopeless at his previous two clubs as well. At best he is now a bottom half manager, his tactical outlook has been passed by and runs an old boys club (something you claim to loathe) over a meritocratic approach to the playing staff as evidenced by the signings and inexplicable amounts of playing time afforded to Rondon and Townsend with Longstaff to come. I know you and the rest of the ForeverBenitez crew think it is a good sign that players are constantly shuffled in front of the camera to state what a great and popular man Benitez is but it sets alarm bells off for me, no other club goes to such extreme lengths to effectively say "nothing to see here, everything is fine".

Benitez is an ego driven manager and is incapable of adjustment, which is why we should all be fearful of our current trajectory.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I keep saying it but it's all about how good the players are and how they fit in not where we sign them from or how old they are. Gana wasn't young and on paper at least didn't have a point to prove but he was a good signing whereas Kean was young and on paper had a point to prove but he wasn't a good signing. Loads of this stuff is said in hindsight and the narrative is fitted to what we want it to be so if Gbamin and Iwobi come in and are great then they were great signings who had points to prove but because they didn't do that it means they were the wrong profile of signing.

Harsh to put Gbamin in with Iwobi to be honest.

Both have been disappointing signings, but for completely different reasons. Iwobi has massively underperformed. Gbamin has been *ridiculously* unlucky.

 

[JimmyK]

That's not what I said though. I said the average age should be around 22 which is what we haven't been doing.

The way I read your take on the situation is we should simply sign good players and that's not a real strategy.

No you didn't you said that Mykolenko is right on the edge of when we should be signing people because he'll be 27 when his contract is up. My take on the situation isn't that you should just sign good players its that a player being 22 or being from a lower league or having a point to prove (in our minds) doesn't in itself make it a good signing and strategy. What makes it a good signing and strategy is when they turn out to be good. That's why I keep saying we have signed lots of players who fit the models people are talking about but they haven't been good and then people just pretend we never signed them in the first place.

 

[TheBigIguana]

No you didn't you said that Mykolenko is right on the edge of when we should be signing people because he'll be 27 when his contract is up. My take on the situation isn't that you should just sign good players its that a player being 22 or being from a lower league or having a point to prove (in our minds) doesn't in itself make it a good signing and strategy. What makes it a good signing and strategy is when they turn out to be good. That's why I keep saying we have signed lots of players who fit the models people are talking about but they haven't been good and then people just pretend we never signed them in the first place.

I've been talking on average the whole time. One signing doesn't define a strategy. The average of where you want to be is having guys signing their second contract so that it expires when they're in 31 to 32 area and not paying them to not play as well when they get older. Keep bringing up one example like you got me if you want.

I disagree. You want to base a strategy around the results and not the process. That's not how it should work.

 

[JimmyK]

Harsh to put Gbamin in with Iwobi to be honest.

Both have been disappointing signings, but for completely different reasons. Iwobi has massively underperformed. Gbamin has been *ridiculously* unlucky.

Yes it is harsh it wasn't a reflection on him he was just the first name who came into my head but you can swap it for plenty of others. At the time Delph signed many people were saying it was a great move precisely because he did have something to prove but then it didn't work out and suddenly it wasn't a good move because he didn't have anything to prove and just wanted a payday.

 

[JimmyK]

I've been talking on average the whole time. One signing doesn't define a strategy. The average of where you want to be is having guys signing their second contract so that it expires when they're in 31 to 32 area and not paying them to not play as well when they get older. Keep bringing up one example like you got me if you want.

I disagree. You want to base a strategy around the results and not the process. That's not how it should work.

I'm not trying to get you at all I'm literally just quoting what you said! It's not a problem if you didn't mean it or didn't write it very well but its what you wrote so its what i'm replying to. I don't think you understand what i'm saying and I don't disagree with you that much to explain it any further so it's no bother.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I'm not trying to get you at all I'm literally just quoting what you said! It's not a problem if you didn't mean it or didn't write it very well but its what you wrote so its what i'm replying to. I don't think you understand what i'm saying and I don't disagree with you that much to explain it any further so it's no bother.

What makes it a good signing and strategy is when they turn out to be good.

This is not the basis for a good decision making process.