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Everton January 2022 Transfer Thread

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Eggs, I am 100% up for buying into this theory that mosh has bought players that managers and DOFs did not want, I am just asking for evidence. So far I have been told it is "everywhere" and that I just need to look ( I did and found nothing). Other than your "source" with the Iwobi story, the rest have had zero credible foundation and feel like nothing more than rumours feeding rumours. The latest being the Mosh got a call to do his mate a favour and take El Ghazi, just WHY?!

All of these rumours seem to be perpetuated by people who are eternal moaners and haters and it just suits their agenda.

I am open to genuine information, but it is severely lacking

….I don’t think anybody truly knows what’s going on, including reports Benitez has ‘total power’.
 
I dont want to read them.I come on here for transfer news and it is awash with people crying about Longstaff since last summer!

Considering just how often you are wrong I reckon you should spend more time putting some belief into rumours. Literally never met someone on here admit they were wrong so often:




 
Quoting what Newcastle paid for woods is ludicrous mate, one they need a striker desperately and are willing to massively overpay for it whilst weakening a direct rival.

If Digne is that much in demand why did zero teams match the apparently undervalued price

You just said in your above post Newcastle were in for Digne mate, therefore the same context that applies to Wood applies to Digne. Its also indictive of "market price" if an aged journey man striker scraping for relegation most seasons is worth 25 mill in the market - then a younger French International former Roma , PSG, Barca player with experience of CL etc - is worth more - i don't think that's a huge jump in logic to be honest, especially in the January limited availability market - "market forces".

To be honest i think people are trying to convince themselves this is a good or fair deal because - they are stressed and worried about us being skint and its hard to hold the anxiety of knowing we need to balance the book - just because we need money, doesn't mean we have to accept bad deals or call them out when they are. Thats the psychology pawn brokers work on.
 
Considering just how often you are wrong I reckon you should spend more time putting some belief into rumours. Literally never met someone on here admit they were wrong so often:




Yeh, but when I’m right I’m really right.
 

The reality is that this will be our model moving forward. Even if we were in Europe we don't have a the commercial revenue to compete with other teams in this league. We can only do so if we sell a top player every couple of seasons - even Chelsea has that kind of model (although based on volume) with their turnover assisted with quite a few sales. Richarlison will go this summer and anything above 18 million or so will be an accounting profit. At the moment difficult to see DCL going as he hasn't played and his value may be a little down. If he were to go then I suspect that his transfer fee would be pure accounting profit. It would provide quite a lot of room for incomings.

If you wanted to be glass half full in terms of the Defence you can see a plan. There are some young guys who can develop over the next few years and provide stability. If, and it is a big if, Branthwaite, Patterson, Mykolenko and Godfrey fulfil their potential it is a sold looking Defence. Unless there is a huge bid I don't see the purpose in selling Pickford and he is still relatively young in goalkeeping terms. That Defence at least in theory can play a high line.

Gray and Gordon you can see being with the club for a number of years. No guarantees but if Gray continues with his present form then given his experience at Leicester and Germany he may think that he is best stayed put. Gordon as a local lad may want to stay unless again his head is turned.

The theory is sell 2-3 each year one of which for a fat fee and buy 2-3. Possibly two as upgrades to those being sold and one as the sacrifical big money sale for the future.

This should have been the model when Koeman was in charge. You could see elements of it with Pickford, Vlasic and Lookman. The difficulty is the purported interference from Bill and Moshiri - wanting moneyball success.

The key issue for me in the summer is if we can keep DCL. Like to keep Richy who is the better player but DCL's goals have been difficult to replace.

Good post mate.

I think as long as DCL stays injury free from here on in, his value will remain very high. I'd be delighted to get another season from him after this one.
 
But that’s not we’re really talking about, Conte had a grievance that could be filed on a court through employment law. It’s not really the same as wanting all employees to leave a club and tell the fans what’s gone on
And was is it that you are hoping they say exactly? The reason I gave the Conte example is because he believed he had legitimate grievance against his employers and took them to that mat for it. If the rumours about Moshiri are true and he has sabotaged the jobs of Everton Directors of Football through his own recklessness and then forced those same Directors to leave the club as collateral damage for mistakes that he has made, perhaps the likes of Brands could explore those same avenues too?

Sadly, I believe that Brands has already unloaded all of his ammunition in that Echo piece that he clearly sourced, given that the information only came to light the day after he left. The fact that that story has failed to gain traction elsewhere in the media is perhaps indicative that not everyone is buying those 'revelations' either.

We're in a very difficult position. The problem is most of the people that Moshiri has chased out of here are incompetent idiots themselves, so we are in a situation whereby what could be considered damaging testimony from former employees against Moshiri would be considered little more than damage limitation by individuals whose reputations are deservedly in tatters.

Moshiri is so clueless though. The damage he has done here is bordering on irreparable.
 

He appears to be an idiot.

But El Ghazi is here so I'll support him. Let's hope he doesn't curtail Gordon's development. I've given up on Dobbin seeing any meaningful minutes.
Yes, it’s a shame about Dobbin, I think he’s decided that there’s nothing down for him here,, he’s probably right as well, I don’t think he’ll extend his contract, he’ll leave us on a free at the end of the season and go on to have a decent career elsewhere in all likelihood.

I suppose we’ll be entitled to a compensation payment, due to us developing him. Signing players like El Ghazi on loan must send out the wrong signals to the likes of Dobbin, who could well have been given the minutes on the pitch that El Ghazi gets.
 
And was is it that you are hoping they say exactly? The reason I gave the Conte example is because he believed he had legitimate grievance against his employers and took them to that mat for it. If the rumours about Moshiri are true and he has sabotaged the jobs of Everton Directors of Football through his own recklessness and then forced those same Directors to leave the club as collateral damage for mistakes that he has made, perhaps the likes of Brands could explore those same avenues too?

Sadly, I believe that Brands has already unloaded all of his ammunition in that Echo piece that he clearly sourced, given that the information only came to light the day after he left. The fact that that story has failed to gain traction elsewhere in the media is perhaps indicative that not everyone is buying those 'revelations' either.

We're in a very difficult position. The problem is most of the people that Moshiri has chased out of here are incompetent idiots themselves, so we are in a situation whereby what could be considered damaging testimony from former employees against Moshiri would be considered little more than damage limitation by individuals whose reputations are deservedly in tatters.

Moshiri is so clueless though. The damage he has done here is bordering on irreparable.
Nothing, it’s not me making that claim
 
You just said in your above post Newcastle were in for Digne mate, therefore the same context that applies to Wood applies to Digne. Its also indictive of "market price" if an aged journey man striker scraping for relegation most seasons is worth 25 mill in the market - then a younger French International former Roma , PSG, Barca player with experience of CL etc - is worth more - i don't think that's a huge jump in logic to be honest, especially in the January limited availability market - "market forces".

To be honest i think people are trying to convince themselves this is a good or fair deal because - they are stressed and worried about us being skint and its hard to hold the anxiety of knowing we need to balance the book - just because we need money, doesn't mean we have to accept bad deals or call them out when they are. Thats the psychology pawn brokers work on.
But nobody thinks that Wood was worth that, including the people who paid it for him. It was done with the not-so-subtle intention of damaging their biggest rivals for survival, and if you have seen the reports around that apparently Dyche is going apoplectic at the deal then it appears to have worked. If Newcastle survive this season at Burnley's expense then their devious little plan will pay back ten-fold. You can't hold that deal parallel to others and claim it is indicative to the market because it isn't.

At the end of the day somebody is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay. No club dramatically better than Everton wanted Digne permanently, so the types of clubs that were lining up for him weren't particularly enticing which will affect the players price somewhat, as clubs who do not have Champions League ambitions (which Villa don't in the short term) are unlikely to pay the kind of money that bona-fide CL sides pay out, especially on a left back no less (Transfermarkt apparently claim it is the sixth highest fee ever paid out for a left back, which doesn't seem so bad).
 
Eggs, I am 100% up for buying into this theory that mosh has bought players that managers and DOFs did not want, I am just asking for evidence. So far I have been told it is "everywhere" and that I just need to look ( I did and found nothing). Other than your "source" with the Iwobi story, the rest have had zero credible foundation and feel like nothing more than rumours feeding rumours. The latest being the Mosh got a call to do his mate a favour and take El Ghazi, just WHY?!

All of these rumours seem to be perpetuated by people who are eternal moaners and haters and it just suits their agenda.

I am open to genuine information, but it is severely lacking
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