Everton January 2025 Transfer Thread

[Dwight K Schrute]

Agree about pace but Bowen and Kudus are not slouches

No, but throughout the side he does not see pace for the useful attribute it is. If you are as slow as Souceck or Ward-Prowse, you need to be either amazing at reading the game or have someone who can cover a lot of ground alongside them. In our case, look how God-awful Gomes was after that first season where Gana covered the ground of two players.

We always had too many immobile players under Moyes (even if they were good players) and he did the same at West Ham. It doesn't mean that some of them aren't good players, but it is least of a problem of you are a possession based side. If you are an counter-attacking side (as Moyes' sides always are) pace is a requirement to be really good.

It's each to their own, and he's not a bad manager, but I've always felt this is one of the areas where Moyes limits himself and it prevents him from moving on to the next step.

 

[bluestevon]

I agree with that, but it was in response to Ward-Prowse, who is an extremely limited/average footballer, with Beckham-esque set-piece abilities. I would be really worried if Moyes went for him.

My one hope for this situation working out is that, by having a DoF, we might still value pace - something Moyes never did. If Moyes' teams had more pace back in the day, we'd have been a much better side.

I'll be honest mate, Moyes not valuing pace is a weird one, be sure he tried numerous times to add it to the squad, but invariably the ones added busted out big time, Shandy Andy, Drenthe, McFadden, Jeffers, Andy Johnson, Manny Fernandez, Beckford

 

[Nymzee]

Melvin Bard
Tom Rothe
Nathaniel Brown
Archie Brown
Maxim De Cuyper
Luca Netz
Hell even get Nkounkou back

Any LB that can attack.

 

[CielosGrises]

I'll be honest mate, Moyes not valuing pace is a weird one, be sure he tried numerous times to add it to the squad, but invariably the ones added busted out big time, Shandy Andy, Drenthe, McFadden, Jeffers, Andy Johnson, Manny Fernandez, Beckford

Fernandez was great, shame we couldnt keep him.

 

[Bally1989]

Melvin Bard
Tom Rothe
Nathaniel Brown
Archie Brown
Maxim De Cuyper
Luca Netz
Hell even get Nkounkou back

Any LB that can attack.

Are you an actual scout is it your job?

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

I'll be honest mate, Moyes not valuing pace is a weird one, be sure he tried numerous times to add it to the squad, but invariably the ones added busted out big time, Shandy Andy, Drenthe, McFadden, Jeffers, Andy Johnson, Manny Fernandez, Beckford

Of those, only Beckford (maybe), Johnson and Drenthe could be argued to have pace. Jagielka was very fast. Coleman was. Mirallas was (pre injury) and Marcus Bent was. Maybe Distin was fast for age and size, but not rapid. That's it. Over 11 years of management.

Like I said, the issue was exacerbated by the fact he plays counter-attacking football.

 

[Nymzee]

Are you an actual scout is it your job?

Nah just don't live with my bird so get to watch a load of games. Like to think I have a good eye for a player though!

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Fernandez was great, shame we couldnt keep him.

He was fantastic. But he wasn't fast (which was the point of his post). And his name was Fernandes!

 

[bluesb1970]

No, but throughout the side he does not see pace for the useful attribute it is. If you are as slow as Souceck or Ward-Prowse, you need to be either amazing at reading the game or have someone who can cover a lot of ground alongside them. In our case, look how God-awful Gomes was after that first season where Gana covered the ground of two players.

We always had too many immobile players under Moyes (even if they were good players) and he did the same at West Ham. It doesn't mean that some of them aren't good players, but it is least of a problem of you are a possession based side. If you are an counter-attacking side (as Moyes' sides always are) pace is a requirement to be really good.

It's each to their own, and he's not a bad manager, but I've always felt this is one of the areas where Moyes limits himself and it prevents him from moving on to the next step.

We did have players with pace. Mirallas was no slouch. One of the issues we had was a really limited budget. Good players who have pace are expensive. That would probably be a reason why we didn’t fill the team with pace

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

We did have players with pace. Mirallas was no slouch. One of the issues we had was a really limited budget. Good players who have pace are expensive. That would probably be a reason why we didn’t fill the team with pace

I'm not saying we didn't have ANY (I mentioned Mirallas above). But we hardly had any over an 11 year period. His West Ham side did not have many players with pace.

 

[bluestevon]

Following reports and just knowing Moyes, expect us to target a CDM this window. If there is one thing Moyes loves its his holding 6 Soucek Fellaini types. Tall physical CDM's with a lot of power, but with good short and long passing, a good head and some goal knack. Not to mention aren't scared to do some ball carrying into the final third.

With that in mind the name I can't shake I hope they look at is Volodymyr Brazhko at Kyiv. Lot of overlap with those two. I think a loads of potential in all those facets who I think my blow up by the summer. Of course caveats on the level of the competition but currently listed at 9 million would assume a deal could get done in January.

Seen him play much mate?

 

[bluestevon]

Never heard of him, but I'm all for it

He's kack in real life, good on FIFA

 

[Mr Happy]

He's kack in real life, good on FIFA

Solid scrabble score too.

 

[allen]

No, but throughout the side he does not see pace for the useful attribute it is. If you are as slow as Souceck or Ward-Prowse, you need to be either amazing at reading the game or have someone who can cover a lot of ground alongside them. In our case, look how God-awful Gomes was after that first season where Gana covered the ground of two players.

We always had too many immobile players under Moyes (even if they were good players) and he did the same at West Ham. It doesn't mean that some of them aren't good players, but it is least of a problem of you are a possession based side. If you are an counter-attacking side (as Moyes' sides always are) pace is a requirement to be really good.

It's each to their own, and he's not a bad manager, but I've always felt this is one of the areas where Moyes limits himself and it prevents him from moving on to the next step.

Well I think we’d all be more than happy with mid-level-Moyes for the rest of the season.

We’re multiple steps behind hitting the Moyes ceiling of the early 2010s - and him being able to make it work with less pacey players is absolutely a plus in our current predicament.

Having had a few days to think about it, I think I better understand the game plan of getting Moyes in now. It really ought to be the closest thing we can get to delivering guaranteed stability, which is what we need before we start thinking about taking any steps beyond that.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Of those, only Beckford (maybe), Johnson and Drenthe could be argued to have pace. Jagielka was very fast. Coleman was. Mirallas was (pre injury) and Marcus Bent was. Maybe Distin was fast for age and size, but not rapid. That's it. Over 11 years of management.

Like I said, the issue was exacerbated by the fact he plays counter-attacking football.

Distin was rapid