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The Fab 4 & The Rooney Debate via GrandOldTeam

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The Rooney Conundrum

A cryptic tweet from Alan Myers (former communications manager for Everton) followed up with Jim White asking would a move to Everton revitalize Wayne Rooney alongside wide speculation Everton would look to make a move for their former player has re-opened a previous debate. I’m to put my cards on the table in favour of yes, I think this move would suit the club while acknowledging the difficulties and objections that exist.


No but I think you will “remember the name”

— Alan Myers (@ALANMYERSMEDIA) July 3, 2017

In approaching the question those who are cautious of his return tend to site 3 different reasons. Firstly that he will be unable to recreate the magic of his first spell, secondly that people are unable to forgive his prior indiscretions and finally that he doesn’t fit within our wider model of recruitment. I will try to tackle each objection before putting a case in favour of a Rooney return.

On the first point that he won’t recreate the magic of his first spell, it would be hard to find any Evertonian who would disagree with this. The player we are signing will have a very different and on the field lesser role than the lad who has left. If Rooney comes back it will be as a squad option who will have to prove he deserves to start every week, not as a guaranteed star man. This is perhaps the most straightforward of them to answer.



On the second point this is a much trickier question. Each of us are governed by our own personal code of ethics and principles and it is not anybody else’s job, least of all mine to make moral judgement on this. Forgiveness remains a thorny issue that dominates many a moral dilemma and conflict. When to forgive? On what conditions? and how? and why? are all decisions for each individual. In a world of absolute’s and definitive answers forgiveness remains a question that can have no right or wrong answer. All I can do is give you my own belief and journey which I appreciate most will not share. I do this not to convince you that I am right but just to show how it fits within the wider subtext.

Rooney leaving was my Alan Ball moment. There was sadness when Fergusan left, heart aching sadness than you could see a man who didn’t want to go having to leave. Rooney there was anger. 2 years previously he had poked fun at other Evertonian’s such as Jeffers who had broken through the academy ranks to leave at the first opportunity. His family could be seen every week at every away game. For a lad of a similar age to Rooney I could see no greater joy than playing for Everton. I was convinced he would stay, as I’d say to friends I’d rather play for Everton than Real Madrid. Looking back this was a naïve, utopian and immature perspective of a young man who was yet to encounter the adult world. Yet it heightened the anger and disbelief when he went.



What deepened this feeling was his own conduct. The kissing of an opponents badge. The fact he celebrated goals scored against us. That he seemed to lack a level of class and maturity that befitted players such as Phil Neville who had moved the other way. Like Rooney he always gave his all, yet he was always respectful towards his boyhood club. To balance the argument it should be noted Manchester United fans were also respectful of him, applauding him and singing his name when we played, while our fans barracked Rooney.

It’s hard for me to downplay the anger (as opposed to sadness when Fergusan left) at Rooney. I would not enjoy seeing him score any goals, even winning goals at Anfield. That is the only player I can say that of. While we detest our local rivals in all honesty the feeling of hatred towards local rivals is based in an illogical ceremony associated with local rivals in sport. Rarely are they different to you, they were just born into a different family. My hatred for Rooney felt more logical. He was one of us, chose to leave and then took glee in rubbing it in each time we them. For me this was a worse sin than being a Kopite.

This feeling crystalised for me in the game when Rooney scored the winning goal in a thrilling United comeback at Everton. The game also marked the first game after the death of Alan Ball (arguably Everton’s most loved post war player). When Rooney scored the winner it would not be an exaggeration to say he resembled a lad who scored the winning goal in the world cup as he celebrated. He bounced along doing star jumps across the Park End maybe as many as a dozen times before getting to the afterthought of acknowledging his own supporters. It was a day of trying to remember Alan Ball, a man who cried when he left Everton and the contrast was stark to Rooney. My own feeling was, he couldn’t even hold his dignity for Alan Ball, no doubt a hero for his own Dad no mark his death and this meant he had no place at our football club, ever.

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In the months and years that followed, had he joined there is every possibility I would have refused to watch. These things are very difficult to quantify, football fans are fickle, yet I was very keen to be stubborn on the question. Yet some years later I have slowly relented to the point I’d happily welcome back a lad who is a fraction of the ability. How has this happened?

There is little doubt that time heals. Fans feel less angry and the barrage of abuse he got dampened. I also think for Rooney he himself matured and began to comprehend the damage of his actions on his former supporters. The fact he has brought his son up to support Everton has certainly helped for some fans. For me though more than this has been my own journey into adulthood. An acknowledgement the world I thought existed at 15 isn’t how the world works and reluctantly winning everything there was to win is an adequate substitute for playing for Everton. That players come and go for Everton but the club remains strong.

I fully understand those who can’t forgive him as I’ve said that is at other discretion but for me, I’m happy to have him back if I feel he can be an asset.

The third objections that he doesn’t fit our recruitment strategy I am left to a certain degree in agreement. We are looking for younger players to add value. Rooney at 31 adds neither of those things. This does have to be balanced though, with Koeman’s desire to have players who are ready to perform from day 1 at the standard required. Koeman also seems to enjoy working with bigger name players and has an ability to bring more out of them.



So what can we say in favour of signing Wayne Rooney? As indicated above I think he would suit Koeman’s desire for players to be ready to make an impact straight away. While there has been a decline in performance it’s hard not to surmise that this has been exaggerated by elements of the media. He has had many good games last season influencing games and scoring goals. You would imagine fitness might be one issue to be looked at, yet Koeman’s own belief that players need to be fit and the work Kluitenberg has done would benefit Rooney massively. You also feel that with the bit between his teeth and the desire to prove his doubters wrong and maybe right some wrongs from how it ended last time Rooney would not be lacking in motivation to succeed.

The player I watched at 16 could do everything. While there is little doubt the physicality and speed of his game may be going his brain, technique and single minded desire to win remain. Over the last 10-15 years Everton have had some good teams who have choked at crunch moments. While it’s not always as simple as bringing in 1 or 2 senior winners to help get people over the line in such games, there are numerous accounts where this has worked. Think Cantona and Manchester United. Think Andy Gray for Howard Kendall, who famously told his team before the 1984 FA Cup Final “it is only a good day if you win”. This Wayne Rooney doesn’t play every week and dazzle Evertonian’s, but he has an influence off the field in helping to develop a winning mentality as a valuable member of the squad.

Finally and perhaps most importantly, there is a significant value for Rooney as an asset to the club. In 10 years time there will be numerous shows about Wayne Rooney. He will be Englands record appearance maker and goalscorer, as well as having the same honour at England’s most successful and prestigious club. At present we are reduced to a mere footnote in the Wayne Rooney story, almost as if we were a youth academy. This is not just hurtful for Evertonians (such as Colin Harvey) and the club, but detrimental to one trying to rebuild it’s brand.

We will never get full ownership with Rooney and I suspect will always be considered a Manchester United great, however Wayne coming back for possibly 3 years, scoring 20-30 goals and making maybe 100 appearances would help redress the balance somewhat. It also opens the possibility of Rooney returning in some capacity to the club when he career ends. The value he would bring in terms of recruiting young players in the local area would be enormous. As too would any advise he could pass on to players such as Tom Davies. He can tell him how Roy Keane prepared. He can explain to Kenny how Gary Neville approached opposing wingers. For Lookman how Ronaldo would prepare, for Holgate what he might learn from what Rio Ferdinand did. This is a level of insight you can’t buy.

As a society we are a “spend not mend” society (as my grandparents inform me). Whether it’s a car, TV, computer or Washing machine, such is the speed and regularity and volume of newly produced items, the wider impact of advertising and easy access to credit we find it very easy to buy new rather than keeping older and arguably better items. This permeates the way many football fans think where seemingly a lad who’s 30+ and older often seems to be written off as having any value. We have seen it with Gareth Barry, written off at City and proclaimed “his legs have gone” yet has done an admirable job for us for 4 years. It might not work out like that for Rooney, but my suspicion is like with many others the level of his decline is not a drastic as people want to believe.

Part of becoming a big club is accepting that compromises sometimes have to be made for the wider goal. Everton has prided itself in it’s purity of footballing morals, yet it has seen us slip back (to the “museum” Moshiri warned of). If there is a marketable player who can do a job for us expect to see far more of these deals as the club aims to continue to grow it’s ethos. I am happy to be on board with it, as I’m happy for the end goal.

If Rooney becomes available I certainly won’t be doing cartwheels if he comes, but I will be pleased. I’ll be pleased that a closure for himself and the Everton fans can hopefully come, that the lasting memory of him will not be him scoring against Everton. Most importantly though, I think he can help develop a winning attitude and spirit amongst a talented but to date fragile group of players, and hopefully help us get over the line to start winning trophies again.

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Player profile – Wayne Rooney via GrandOldTeam

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Remember the name?

Wayne Rooney has divided opinion of Blues across the land since the day he departed for Manchester United.

Traitor, Judas and many more words that aren’t suitable for family consumption have been associated with Rooney’s name.



Wayne has slowly rebuilt his reputation in L4. With an appearance in Duncan Ferguson’s testimonial and constant sightings of his children donning the royal blue.

There is still a clear affinity with the club behind the scenes.

But enough about that. This is not a debate, this is profiling England national team’s skipper.

At 31 it seems Ronald Koeman wants to mix the youth he has already with experience. And who better than Rooney? Every club competition he has played in he’s in possession of a winner’s medal.

A serial trophy collector.

He brings a winning mentality that has severely been missing for far too long at Everton.


Wayne Rooney's Man Utd honours:

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— BT Sport Football (@btsportfootball) May 25, 2017

It is clear Croxteth born Rooney isn’t the player he once was. He has dropped further and further down the order as his career has progressed.

But having him able to play in numerous positions across the park is big a positive.

The man standing at 5ft9 has 253 goals in 559 United games. Not to mention the 53 balls he put in the back of the net for England in 119 caps. He finds himself his club and his country’s outright top goal scorer of all time.


He is also on an elite list of only four players to reach over a century of Premier League assists.

With a side lacking in creativity it’s clear to see this is key in the bringing back the once local hero.

Some say he’s finished, some say otherwise. Who knows? Maybe Rooney just needs a change of scenery to revitalise a career that appears to be stagnating.

A new lease of life.

Steve Walsh and Koeman don’t want him for the sake of a big named player in the ranks. They want Rooney because they feel that they can get the best out of him.

No special treatment, he has to work hard in training, perform in matches and have the right attitude in order to break into the Dutchman’s already strong starting eleven.

Up the Toffees.

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The case for Wayne Rooney via GrandOldTeam

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With the return of Wayne Rooney imminent, much has been said and opinions are somewhat divided as to him coming ‘home’.

There’s no need to dwell on the reasons why he left for Manchester United all those years ago, it happened, it’s water under the bridge and we’re looking to the future.



Some will no doubt refer to his infamous ‘kissing the United badge’ but again, he did it to stick it to the boo-boys and it’s water under the bridge, let’s move on.

Let’s deal with the emotional sentimentality of Rooney ‘coming home’.

If that is the premise behind this transfer, then the premise is wrong !!

Football now has very little room for emotional sentimentality because a. there’s too much money involved and b. and more importantly, Everton are back on the trophy and glory trail. There’s no room for sentimentality on the playing field.



There can be no denying that Wayne Rooney is the wrong side of thirty and his absolute magical best days are probably behind him.

Before we switch back to this being a sentimental deal though, let’s just look at how recent times at Old Trafford have hardly worked in his favour.

When Alex Ferguson retired, he knew full well that the United team was in need of an overhaul but incredulously, he anointed David Moyes as his chosen successor and you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that he was woefully wrong for that role.

Under Moyes they stumbled like a Friday night drunkard and he bit the dust.

Enter Louis Van Gaal and he didn’t exactly rip up trees in the biggest job in British football either. Yes, he won an FA Cup, but within minutes, allegedly, was told his time was up.

Enter Jose Mourinho and again, whilst trophies were won, United were massively boring to watch and almost mechanical in their (lack of) style last season.

So four years of poor or stuttering management at Old Trafford (for which the rest of us were and are grateful) saw Wayne Rooney suffer a loss of form, a few injuries and having to cope with the ignominy of being dropped from the team.

Couple this domestic uncertainty with losing his England place, despite being both the countries and Uniteds’ leading scorer, and Rooney could, arguably, therefore be excused for losing a bit of interest and focus.

To his credit, he hasn’t whined about losing nailed-on, first name on the teamsheet status, but it must hurt that four years of indifferent, at times rudderless management has affected his career.

So when Ronald Koeman and Steve Walsh both said last season that if he became available Everton would be interested, his own imagination of a return ‘home’ was surely heightened.
Koeman and Walsh will have thought long and hard about exactly what role Rooney could play… the premise for making the transfer happen.



He’s a winner.

He’s a marvellous footballing brain, the game comes naturally to him.

He’s been there, done it, won it – he knows better than anyone in our squad what it takes to get the job done.



Koeman and Walsh have made some terrific signings and Everton look massively better already.

Pickford in goal, Keane in the centre of defence, Klaassen in midfield and Ramirez up front, they’ve installed a whole new potential spine through the team.

Youth, exuberance and no shortage of pace.

What Koeman and Walsh needed to add, and I believe this is the reason Wayne Rooney looked attractive to them, is a playmaker, in US parlance, a quarterback.

Someone who has vision, someone who can pick a pass and make things happen, someone with an eye for goal, someone who can drive the team with purpose.

From his perspective, Wayne Rooney needed an incentive, a new purpose to his career.

Sure, he could have taken the ridiculous money probably offered by clubs in China or even the USA, but Rooney would be utterly wasted in both those countries.

Where better to regain purpose than back where it all began – Everton.

A few years ago, he did an interview for Everton TV and the over-riding feeling came across that despite all the trophies, glory and money he was winning and making at Old Trafford, there was still a sense of ‘unfinished business’ in his mind.

His very being in a blue shirt will make other teams sit up and take even greater notice of Everton next season and as to the ‘unfinished business’, well here I will get emotionally sentimental…

Imagine the reaction and scenes were the “once a Blue, always a Blue” sadly turned red Wayne Rooney to score a derby winner… OMG !!!!

Imagine a thirty-yarder hurtling into the top corner or a ricochet off his backside at either the Street End or the Kop… would we really care how he scores it ???

More importantly though is that Everton win, it’s not and shouldn’t be about Rooney scoring, that would be the cherry on the cake.

One thing I am certain of is this, if/when Wayne Rooney dons the Royal Blue again and crosses the white line to play for Everton, he’s the last one that Ronald Koeman will need to worry about in terms of motivation.

Rooney has seen his career somewhat stall in the last four seasons and at 31, his mercurial best may be behind him.

But the chance to redeem himself in the eyes of Evertonians and prove to all the doubters and media that he’s not finished is just the kind of incentive he needs to roll back a few of the years and help spur Everton towards where we and he wants us to be.

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Game of the Day: Everton 2-1 Arsenal, 2002 via Everton Arent We

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With two minutes to go in Everton’s Premier League clash with Arsenal in October 2002, a satisfied Bill Kenwright vacated his seat and left Goodison Park. He had every right to be pleased. The Blues had held the league leaders, who had won seven and drawn two of their opening nine games, to a 1-1 draw. Arsene Wenger’s all-conquering Gunners were one day away from marking seven months since their last defeat in any competition, which was away to Juventus in the Champions League. The day before marked ten months since they had lost domestically. Everton had been tenacious, tough, and totally worth the point earned. It was, in the circumstances, a good draw.

Except it wasn’t. Because, as Kenwright headed for home, a moment of magic happened amidst the auspicious birth of a star whose Everton story may not yet be complete.

Wayne Mark Rooney was a phenomenon. That much was no secret. The Croxteth-born striker simply had football in his veins. He could either be found playing the game with friends or practising alone, volleying the ball into the sign of the now-demolished Dog & Gun on Carr Lane, not allowing the ball to touch the floor. Rooney notched a record 72 goals for the Liverpool Schoolboys in one season, and nearly a century as an eight-year-old in the Walton and Kirkdale junior league. As luck would have it, Everton scout Bob Pendleton was secretary of said league, and after noticing Rooney at the Long Lane playing fields he immediately moved to take the prodigious young boy to Bellefield. Luckier still – Rooney, like his parents, was an avowed Evertonian.

Coaches, team-mates, opponents and spectators all said the same thing – Rooney was destined for greatness. Even when playing among older boys, he was able to do things with the ball that they could only dream of, and had a cheeky audacity that fostered some spectacular goals. Even when he began training with the Everton senior side as a fresh-faced 16-year-old, the seasoned professionals Rooney was playing alongside were stunned by the range of his ability. Incredibly quick and blessed with the touch of a concert pianist, Rooney also had the physicality and bullish determination to battle it out with the best of them. On August 17 2002, he made his first Everton start, the youngest player to appear for the Blues since Joe Royle in 1966. 37 minutes into his professional career, he provided the assist for Mark Pembridge’s opener.

And so began a 15-year career that has been often thrilling, often frustrating, and – most importantly – is far from over.

Rooney had scored his first Everton goals against Wrexham in the League Cup by the time Arsenal came to town on October 19. David Moyes was settling in to his first full season at Goodison, and the Scot had endured a very mixed start. While Everton had won two and drawn two of their opening four home league fixtures, they had lost all four on the road, including a 3-0 mauling at the hands of Manchester United 12 days before the Arsenal tie. The Gunners’ monumental run had sealed their place in the history books, with victory over Sunderland making it a record 30 league games unbeaten. The record would survive a whole two years, broken by Arsenal themselves. A 49-match streak was ended in October 2004 by – you guessed it – Wayne Rooney.

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In a way, then, the unstoppable force of Arsenal met the immovable object of Everton’s pristine home form. The hosts needed to find a chink in the Arsenal armour, and during the international break they found one, as David Seaman conceded directly from a corner in England’s abject 2-2 draw with Macedonia.

The key, then, was aerial bombardment. Kevin Campbell was deployed to apply the pressure while Tomasz Radzinski looked for the gaps left behind. Thomas Gravesen and Pembridge’s set pieces were fizzed into the Arsenal penalty area with the sole intention of making Seaman’s life miserable. The England stopper was clearly struggling with the crosses coming under his crossbar.

The problem was that, if Seaman looked shaky, the Everton defence was a nervous wreck. Arsenal had already scored 33 goals in their opening 12 fixtures, managing a meagre single strike against only Chelsea and Auxerre, and Everton never looked like keeping Henry, Kanu and co at bay. Eight minutes in, David Weir looked well-placed to clear an incisive pass by the Frenchman but slipped on his own six-yard line. Freddie Ljungberg reacted far quicker than a static Everton defence, and slotted home to open the scoring.

Everton needed an inspirational talisman to prevent Arsenal from establishing a cast-iron grip on the game. In Gravesen, they had one. The Danish dynamo was a one-man wrecking ball, tearing through the Arsenal midfield duo of Patrick Vieira and Gilberto Silva as well as threatening from set pieces. It was his forward-thinking that handed Everton their equaliser on 22 minutes. After receiving Radzinski’s short free-kick, Gravesen made a burst towards goal before finding Lee Carsley. Carsley’s effort found the post, but Radzinski outpaced Pascal Cygan to slot home on the rebound.

Goodison was bouncing, and Everton were channelling that positivity. Gravesen saw a fierce effort saved by Seaman before Uriah Rennie denied Radzinski a penalty, the Canadian going down under a challenge from Ashley Cole. The half-time whistle was met with sporadic boos for the Sheffield referee, but mostly warm applause for a superb recovery by the hosts.

Yet Arsenal had undergone such an impressive run of form a reason. They had a winning mentality reinforced by every passing game, and a wealth of options. Sylvain Wiltord replaced Kolo Toure, and the Frenchman saw one effort blocked on the line, while a fizzing drive went over the bar. Thierry Henry was unusually profligate when given sight of goal, while Ljungberg almost grabbed his second goal of the game with a lob that landed agonisingly wide of the post.

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Everton prospects past and present were then introduced, Francis Jeffers coming on for Arsenal ten minutes before Rooney – who would make his England debut on the same night as Jeffers, five years his senior – came on for a tiring Radzinski. Arsenal’s dominance had somewhat waned. Tobias Linderoth had proved a useful replacement for Li Tie, and the Gravesen-Carsley partnership were at their bombastic best.

Kenwright left with the game seemingly concluded, bar for a moment of magic or madness. It was all set up for Rooney, days short of his 17th birthday, the £80 per week apprentice amidst seasoned professionals and bona fide international stars (Mark Pembridge was there too).

If you close your eyes, you can probably still see what happened in the 90th minute on that October afternoon at Goodison. The Wright goal-kick headed clear by Sol Campbell. Gravesen’s hopeful, lofted ball forwards. Wayne Rooney taking the ball under his spell with a deft touch. Wayne Rooney turning, 30 yards out, taking a look up at goal and realising no Arsenal player had thought to close him down. Wayne Rooney unleashing a beautiful, pinpoint, curling strike which flew past Seaman’s despairing dive, off the underside of the crossbar, and into the Park End goal.

Rooney tore away to celebrate and was mobbed by his jubilant team-mates, with around 38,000 Evertonians causing pandemonium in the stands. The 16-year-old homegrown hero had emerged in the final minute to defeat the reigning champions. It was the ultimate storybook finale. ITV commentator Clive Tyldsley greeted the goal with the now-famous utterance “Remember the name – Wayne Rooney!” As if anyone would forget.

Arsene Wenger was stunned. “He’s supposed to be 16,” the Frenchman mused afterwards. “The guy can play. He’s the best English under-20 I’ve seen since I came here.” Rooney had broken Michael Owen’s record to become the Premier League’s youngest scorer. Just as a reminder of his incredible talent, Rooney produced a carbon-copy strike in added-on time, only for it to dip onto the roof of the net.

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The opening few months of his Everton career was arguably the best it got for Rooney, who scored the winner at Leeds in the Toffees’ next match, while at his boyhood club. Everton would finish 7th, and then 17th, prompting Rooney to move to Manchester United after lighting up Euro 2004. It says a lot that Rooney has become United and England’s all-time leading goalscorer, the winner of five league titles, one FA Cup, three League Cups, the Champions League, the Europa League and the Club World Cup – as well as an individual accolade haul that would trouble any trophy cabinet – and yet it feels as if he could have achieved even more.

Now it seems as if Everton are keen to bring the prodigal son home. His infamous badge-kissing exploits are less of a concern than the fact his physical ability seems to have long since peaked, and the stats don’t add up like they used to. Rooney left Everton as a boy, and would return a veteran, the glory days all lived out in United red. There are countless column inches, blogs, Twitter posts, forum posts and conversations all certain on whether Rooney would be a good addition or an expensive flop. None of us can see what is to come.

All of us, though, can remember the excitement of seeing a player destined to reach the very top appearing in Everton’s royal blue. Those who witnessed the victory over Arsenal, and Rooney’s special cameo, will never forget it. For a moment there, Goodison watched on as a 16-year-old held the world in the palm of his hand.

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