Everton "special" Talksport 9:00pm Monday 10th Aug 2015

[Bruce Wayne]

exactly. United and Arsenal for example started to succeed consistently at the perfect time was able to ride the PL/CL wave to becoming global brands

And I fully accept that the gap between rich and poor was much less 20-25 years ago so an improvement in commercial performance could close such a gap. It's much, much wider now so even doing the best you can may not be enough to make any difference. I mean Man Utd made £300m more in revenue last year than we did. Heck, in 2013 they made more profit than we had entire turnover. Equal parts scary and depressing, and yet I'd be reluctant to hammer them for it because they've gone about it in largely the right way, unlike Chelsea and City.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The capital is liquid money which is separate from the revenue.

Capital is only available when the moneyed make it available for investment.

Option 2 in the internet age would be my choice @the esk

I guess the point I was trying to make is that in 2013 United made > £100m in profit, which is quite a chunk to have available for investment, and they haven't had to go externally for it, and they've been largely self-financed in that way for the last 20 years. All of the infrastructure improvements they've made have been done through their revenues.

It's just incredibly hard to see how we can even begin to replicate that.

 

[ilikecheese]

I guess the point I was trying to make is that in 2013 United made > £100m in profit, which is quite a chunk to have available for investment, and they haven't had to go externally for it, and they've been largely self-financed in that way for the last 20 years. All of the infrastructure improvements they've made have been done through their revenues.

It's just incredibly hard to see how we can even begin to replicate that.

When did their IPO happen? Round that time I think. Different ballgame with their IPO.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When did their IPO happen? Round that time I think. Different ballgame with their IPO.

Originally they floated in 1991 I believe. It was a route a few clubs went down back then, with Newcastle also floating, and I think Spurs too. Those two were less successful than United though as they were less well run as clubs.

I think at the time, the main reason for doing so was to help comply with the Taylor Report. The Premier League was born a year later so it was clear at the time that clubs were thinking seriously about ways to increase their revenue.

Of course, United won that first Premier League, whilst we languished in the bottom half.

 

[ilikecheese]

Originally they floated in 1991 I believe. It was a route a few clubs went down back then, with Newcastle also floating, and I think Spurs too. Those two were less successful than United though as they were less well run as clubs.

I think at the time, the main reason for doing so was to help comply with the Taylor Report.

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It was 2012 when they went public on the NYSE after further digging...I was off by a year.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

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It was 2012 when they went public on the NYSE after further digging...I was off by a year.

Sure, with the Glazers, but the divide began in the 90s imo. That's when they started pulling clear both on and off the pitch.

 

[Jags..class]

We need better sponser money. How do we do this? Keep hold of our best players. Buy young players with a high ceiling, win a cup. We should be doing better sponser deals. We do need a new ground or we will be left behind. West ham,rs,and spurs are tackling this, well west ham wer3 lucky.stop selling our best players and maybe we might build a winning team.

 

[cronullasharks]

Well done @the esk. Pity that other bonehead (not collymore, the other one) kept butting in.

 

[Elong]

I mean there are exceptions of course. Old Trafford clearly because it is so huge, and the Emirates because of its size plus location. I've followed United commercially for a long time now, and whilst you may say they were fortunate with the golden generation + Ferguson coming along just as the PL was hitting its straps, they invested incredibly well both in expanding Old Trafford and in Carrington. The only time they went externally for money was to the stock market.

As has been well publicised, the Glazers have sucked far more out of the club than they've ever put in, yet they've also squeezed every drop out of fans and sponsors possible, and commercially they're vastly more successful than they were under Edwards (and they put us to shame even then).

The thing that helps United pull off having a massive stadium is being quite decent on the field.

 

[Moomin]

I wonder if the Echo will bother reporting about it today, or ignore it.

No doubt the clubs media will be speaking to "Friends" of Everton to get some stories in the media.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Would that be last year where we had all those extra Europa League games to push gate and commercial revenues as well as receive tv top ups? And did it also include the higher league finishing reward cash from having finished fifth as well as extra games screened live money?
Some of those reasons might play a factor in why two misfunctioning clubs had lessened revenue streams. Sunderland are still dicing with extremely poor football and newcastle have a fans problem with there owner seeing some numbers purposefully stay away.

Flipside to the issue :- Would a bigger stadium with no obstructed views a proper band of corporate facilities and adequate facilities for your average supporter (toilets!) push the club on in terms of earning power and in what bracket would any naming rights cash be allocated (and is a retail partner still the prefered method of having it built).

If the new stadium was family friendly and a family season ticket was £6-700 or so id take the kids every week..

 

[Jokerdan]

To summarise:

• They're no longer seriously looking to sell.
• Comfortable with doing enough to stay in the Premier League.
• Lots of frustration from fans who want more ambition.
• No real solutions proposed.
• @the esk is the best.

The club is/has become a cash cow. There's little doubting that Bill Kenwright is a blue through and through but this character in the States - Mr Planet Hollywood - clearly has little real interest in the club and given the new TV rights deal which kicks in next season he ain't going anywhere fast unless some wealthy benefactor buys out the board in mega bucks. We are like a ageing, rusting hulk skippered by a drunken sot who failed to heed the sirens, has run aground and now whiles away his and the crews days with false promises that tomorrow will bring the high tide which will eventually re-float us when the sad reality is that his boat is going nowhere. And for us/the crew the saddest reality is that we cannot just jump ship because we signed up for life and in a perverse way have even developed an ambivolent attitude towards ever seeing the shiny briny ever again. Poor analogy I know but it seems to fit!

 

[Tramps_mate]

I mean there are exceptions of course. Old Trafford clearly because it is so huge, and the Emirates because of its size plus location. I've followed United commercially for a long time now, and whilst you may say they were fortunate with the golden generation + Ferguson coming along just as the PL was hitting its straps, they invested incredibly well both in expanding Old Trafford and in Carrington. The only time they went externally for money was to the stock market.

As has been well publicised, the Glazers have sucked far more out of the club than they've ever put in, yet they've also squeezed every drop out of fans and sponsors possible, and commercially they're vastly more successful than they were under Edwards (and they put us to shame even then).

How close are the Glazers to clearing their debt?

 

[Tramps_mate]

I mean there are exceptions of course. Old Trafford clearly because it is so huge, and the Emirates because of its size plus location. I've followed United commercially for a long time now, and whilst you may say they were fortunate with the golden generation + Ferguson coming along just as the PL was hitting its straps, they invested incredibly well both in expanding Old Trafford and in Carrington. The only time they went externally for money was to the stock market.

As has been well publicised, the Glazers have sucked far more out of the club than they've ever put in, yet they've also squeezed every drop out of fans and sponsors possible, and commercially they're vastly more successful than they were under Edwards (and they put us to shame even then).

How close are the Glazers to clearing their debt?

 

[jazzy]

You can have as many radio specials as you want and our fans can speak eloquently and passionately but nothing will change until Kenwright relinquishes ownership.