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Everton "special" Talksport 9:00pm Monday 10th Aug 2015

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Moyes was dangling the carrot of hope, we were always 'almost' there. Martinez has absolutely extinguished that now do attention has switched to the root cause.

Moyes kept the fans away from bill & Co's doors for many years. No wonder Bill loved him so much.

It's always gonna take a bit of a back seat when fortunes on the pitch are good. The same as Roberto's first season.
 

The stick the Blue Union got (and still get) from our fans pretty much nailed the door closed on any fan protest movement for a long time.

Nothing will happen.
 
Sounds like this went ok and GOT had good representation (well in @the esk )

But what happens now?

I'm leaning towards probably nothing. But hope not.
No doubt it will be used for the next few years by the Club as an example of the great transparency at the Club and how the Club actively promotes a full and frank dialogue with the fans, as it continues to do it's best to be secretive about the more troubling aspects of our finances and ignore the deeply felt concerns of the fanbase.

Our Commercial Dept really does need dragging kicking and screaming into the 1990's at least.
 
If the new stadium was family friendly and a family season ticket was £6-700 or so id take the kids every week..

Blokes using kids tickets in the family enclosure is rather naughty because those same adults will complain the club aint putting enough cash into the players that provide the spectacle. That wasnt an accusation against you but the skinflints that look to con the club and there fellow supporters.
So far as kids go the club has the knock down rate for the dads n lads but kids aint buying warm chang aint company execs and aint stuffing themselves with prawn sandwiches and champagne.
Is the area and are the supporters affluent enough to embolden the club with premium costing support to then have the extra financial clout to bully other sides for transfers and contract offers.
Manchester United have had over two decades of being ripped for being the Essex boys club of choice but how much does it matter to them and the rest when breaking and making the new top flight wins record? We rip Norway FC on an hourly basis but what do they care when they can unload dumptruck loads of cash on signings like Carroll and Ballotelli.

The club seems trapped - it cant squeeze the local support for anymore than it does - it cant cut overheads (contracts - because players will go to where they can earn that extra £20k weekly) - and the ever increasing tv deals and foreign rights deals get funnelled straight into the next round of £20k weekly players wage increases.

Theres no appetite for a salary cap and somehow ffp rules have been relaxed to allow the current financial whales to vomit more money into the pockets of players and agents and third party owned club owners like a case of financial norovirus.

Would there be all this angst and soul searching if it was us racking up the trophy count though?
 
Blokes using kids tickets in the family enclosure is rather naughty because those same adults will complain the club aint putting enough cash into the players that provide the spectacle. That wasnt an accusation against you but the skinflints that look to con the club and there fellow supporters.
So far as kids go the club has the knock down rate for the dads n lads but kids aint buying warm chang aint company execs and aint stuffing themselves with prawn sandwiches and champagne.
Is the area and are the supporters affluent enough to embolden the club with premium costing support to then have the extra financial clout to bully other sides for transfers and contract offers.
Manchester United have had over two decades of being ripped for being the Essex boys club of choice but how much does it matter to them and the rest when breaking and making the new top flight wins record? We rip Norway FC on an hourly basis but what do they care when they can unload dumptruck loads of cash on signings like Carroll and Ballotelli.

The club seems trapped - it cant squeeze the local support for anymore than it does - it cant cut overheads (contracts - because players will go to where they can earn that extra £20k weekly) - and the ever increasing tv deals and foreign rights deals get funnelled straight into the next round of £20k weekly players wage increases.

Theres no appetite for a salary cap and somehow ffp rules have been relaxed to allow the current financial whales to vomit more money into the pockets of players and agents and third party owned club owners like a case of financial norovirus.

Would there be all this angst and soul searching if it was us racking up the trophy count though?
I know an oil company in Aberdeen that flew its execs by helicopter to Manchester for all the home games at old Trafford...

Doubt they'll do it for us..
 
I'm sure there are many factors involved, it wasn't suggested as any kind of fait accompli, but even if we go with the top end of things and say we'd get the extra 10,000 fans per game that Newcastle get each week, it probably wouldn't generate 'that' much extra cash. Obviously a few million extra each year is nice, but we also have to consider that building a stadium of that size is likely to cost us ~£150m.

I'll make some assumptions for illustrative purposes, but if we assume we have no sugar daddy and have to borrow the £150m, then at 3% interest, the interest on that alone is £4.5m a year, so the 'profit' we'd make from it is pretty marginal, although I'm obviously not taking into account naming rights or any of that. I'm just saying I don't think a stadium is our dream ticket.

This is guesswork as well. But here goes. If the club could arrange some sort of lease deal with the council on the land and if the club could get top dollar on what property it owns currently as well as cashing in on a couple of the young first teamers and sell the naming rights and then siphons off a couple of tens of millions from the new tv deal to add all that up and have 50% of a new build (and then build the 55k dream venue) and then guarantee payments against the remainder could that be a means to an end?
We dont sell out games not because of ticket prices but because some of the specs in the ground are quite frankly a running joke. Whats the point goin-the-game if you cant-see-the-game.

Itd be great to have a full breakdown of current corporate take up at Goodison and what the waiting list is like if there is one. Fact is the premier league circus comes to town with all the same sides every other ground gets so the interest and the capacity for business write offs is there like it is for the glitterati.

Having a load of history is great and its a sign of pedigree and community pride. Its making the new history that today wants to be part of.
 

I know an oil company in Aberdeen that flew its execs by helicopter to Manchester for all the home games at old Trafford...

Doubt they'll do it for us..

Kerching. Business expense. Tax back. Make it part of the perks and explain it as a means of an arena in which to cut deals and schmooze clients and its there for business/corporate on tap. Manchester United were very clever in setting themselves up this way with tiers of corporate availability. So not every company has the deep pockets of IBM to afford a box or a lounge at the game but corporate seating areas in the stands were setup for much more affordable pricing - its still a premium but the plastics manufacturers or the mechanical servicing businesses want and like to rub shoulders with the great and the good and have the status of being successful in their own right as well as vicariously through the successes of the side they are helping support.
 
I'm sure there are many factors involved, it wasn't suggested as any kind of fait accompli, but even if we go with the top end of things and say we'd get the extra 10,000 fans per game that Newcastle get each week, it probably wouldn't generate 'that' much extra cash. Obviously a few million extra each year is nice, but we also have to consider that building a stadium of that size is likely to cost us ~£150m.

I'll make some assumptions for illustrative purposes, but if we assume we have no sugar daddy and have to borrow the £150m, then at 3% interest, the interest on that alone is £4.5m a year, so the 'profit' we'd make from it is pretty marginal, although I'm obviously not taking into account naming rights or any of that. I'm just saying I don't think a stadium is our dream ticket.
I agree. So the only other option is developing goodison a stand at a time but that is for another discussion.
 
see i dont get that. People hate the blue union?

You mean the group that got hard proof of poor running of the club from the chairmans own mouth? Is it because they lied to bill about not recording the thing?

I really don't get why they are hated and discredited? Surely they have uncovered as much hard truth in one attempt than anyone has in 20 years?
 

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