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Everton "special" Talksport 9:00pm Monday 10th Aug 2015

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Khalekan said:
Mention of the Taylor Report makes me sad.

There is the genesis of our current distressed state.

When that report came out, Goodison Park was the most modern ground in the country.

Heck, we has escalators in the Top Balcony since circa 1970, unheard off in this country at that time.

We had seats on all four sides of the ground, a rarity even as late as 1990.

Anyone remember the state of Stamford Bridge when we played there in the Cup in '91.....the day Tony Cottee missed a penno and we lost 1-0?

It was ramshackle.

Then came the Taylor Report and the diktat that all grounds in the English top flight become all seater.

I remember a national newspaper publishing a league table of how much the contemporary First Division/Premier League clubs would need to spend to modernise their grounds.

And I glowed with pride as my beloved EFC sat proudly at the very bottom of that table.

In other words, there it was in black and white......Goodison Park was the safest, most modern ground in England.

And it needed less money spent on it to comply with Taylor than any other ground.

So the Everton board sat in its laurels as per, tweaking a few things here and there to make us all seater.

Whilst the other major clubs were obliged to fetch in bulldozers and undertake major work.

And just like when one starts a project on one room in one's house, the rest of these club's grounds looked tired so more work was commenced to modernise the rest of it.

And by the time anyone at Everton took notice, all these grounds were making our once palatial home look like the run down pile of a faded aristocrat without the money to upkeep and improve it.

Goodison had become Woodison by the turn of the century and I am afraid the die was cast.
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Fully agree with everything you said, and the stadium issue is yet another failure with the board. My point is I think they use this to hide behind, 'we want to build a new stadium, but we've got no money, so we'll just do nothing in the meantime'. I'd almost respect the board if they came out and said 'you know what, the stadium is not happening anytime soon, but we're going to prioritise commercial revenues, invest in the first team to get champions league, then look to revisit the stadium issue under new owners or at a future date'. Arsenal were winning titles in a far worse stadium than Goodison. The board have used Goodison as an excuse to not invest anything into the team as though we could only have a good team if we have a brand new stadium which is rubbish. The one question that needs to be asked is 'what is the current plan to move Everton forward'. If it's a stadium fine, if not Elstone needs to think of something else. At the moment the board are doing nothing apart from hoping for a payday, and looking for free ikea stadiums to increase the size of their payday. There is no long term plan apart from the minimum spend to ensure premier league survival, which has now spread to their choice of manager and re riot meant of players.
 
blue76 said:
The Echo took a real kicking on that piece last night. Pretty much the only thing that stood out for me was the Everton fans ringing in to say that The Echo was looking the other way while we were being mugged.
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They deserved it as well the echo are cowards .
Used to be a great paper now its chip paper
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Certainly an interesting read, but it had me wondering a bit about something @the esk said about capital being more important than revenue. I was thinking of the most successful teams in Europe over the past few years. Barca are self-funded, Bayern are self-funded, Man Utd are self-funded, as are Arsenal and Real Madrid also.

Those teams have managed to dominate their domestic leagues and European competitions without having to rely on capital from outside, but instead on the revenue they've generated as businesses.

Now I'll gladly confess that the club have probably been incredibly bad at raising our revenue, but it got me wondering whether we can grow the club by growing revenues. Obviously one of the reasons why we're clamouring for external capital is to build a new stadium, so I had a look at two northern clubs with much larger grounds than us (Newcastle and Sunderland).

This is how revenue breaks down for last year

Revenue £120.5 (EFC), £95.9m (NFC), £101m (SFC)
Gate receipts £19.3m (EFC), £27.8m (NFC), £15.7m (SFC)
Commercial £8.4m (EFC), £17.1m (NFC), £8.4m (SFC)

So despite Newcastle and Sunderland both having average gates several thousand higher than us, their overall revenue is considerably lower, and in Sunderland's case, even their gate receipts are below ours. It's not immediately obvious just how commercially beneficial having a new stadium would be for us, baring in mind the huge costs of building one.
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Sunderland's average ticket price is something like £18 as they do loads of cheap deals through the season to get people in. So if you take that and the last EFC scheme which was a £78m stadium needing 47k average attendance just to raise £6m, it's fair to say the stadium issue alone won't solve much.

We need a realistic business plan, with vision, and a mgmt team capable of delivering it. At the moment we're doing nothing.
 

macst said:
Where are all the media reports on this from last night by the way? I haven't seen a single one yet...
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Not even mentioned on the 'new Everton champion' Talksport. In fact, it will be interesting to see if Collymore takes Brazil to task, for still touting up the Stones to Chelsea 'cherry picking'. Doubt it.
 

hullefc said:
Not even mentioned on the 'new Everton champion' Talksport. In fact, it will be interesting to see if Collymore takes Brazil to task, for still touting up the Stones to Chelsea 'cherry picking'. Doubt it.
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A cynical person would say that talksport saw a load of people talking about the situation on twitter and thought "hey, we'll do an hour of this in the last part of the show, when the calls to our expensive phone number usually dry up"

And to be fair to them, it worked - they filled their call list (and had people waiting on the line) the whole way through the hour

Be surprised if they revisit the topic any time soon
 
davek said:
I wonder if there'll be just as snotty a response from Elstone as this one a few seasons ago when fans started to ask the wider media to investigate the club? http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2011/07/15/robert-elstone-blog
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You read this and realise it was all just a pack of lies, we're no better off than 2011 and none of the things he said the board were doing have been achieved. No stadium, no surplus built up through player trading, no increase in commercial revenue that isn't linked to inflation or the TV deal. We've just stood still despite more money than ever flowing into the game whilst others have improved their infrastructure, stadiums, and first team squads.
 
Everton have let Goodison rot for years instead of improving and modernising. I don't know what the current value is for the ground but it must be going down year after year. If they would have spent money steadily improving the stadium and bringing it up to date the value would have increased or stabilized adding to the clubs assets. Any depreciation in the value would be claimed back in tax so no money would be lost.
 
Saint Domingo said:
You read this and realise it was all just a pack of lies, we're no better off than 2011 and none of the things he said the board were doing have been achieved. No stadium, no surplus built up through player trading, no increase in commercial revenue that isn't linked to inflation or the TV deal. We've just stood still despite more money than ever flowing into the game whilst others have improved their infrastructure, stadiums, and first team squads.
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With three weeks to go in this window (a window I fully expect Stones to leave in, btw) and having spent a paltry £4M so far, you'd have to be daft not to realise that this season has been chosen by the owners to tackle debt. In other words, they're determined to increase the value of their own assets (paying down the debt THEY ran up in the first place) rather than invest into the team.
 

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