Everton "special" Talksport 9:00pm Monday 10th Aug 2015

[Steve Wigan]

The BU doesnt have any 'members'.

Anyone can agree in a post re the aims of the BU and then go onto feck and jeff all and as a consequence the BU gets the flack. You know that it happened in the days of the Kirkby fiasco and IP addresses were traced back to L4.

Thats why I put the word 'members' in inverted commas, chicken. No one can agree with the aims of the BU , because no one knows what they are. And if they haven't got any 'members', the first thing they need to do is get some ! Nothing like a nice long list of thousands of members if youre an action group...adds credibility and the more members you've got, the more you get, and the more clout you have. Does nobody there have the first clue on how to develop and ideal into a movement !

 

[davek]

Thanks, Dave for your response. You certainly have a point, and I didn't say it would be easy. Either way , answers would be needed, sooner or later, and personally I have doubts that declaring war would ever result in a complete victory. The point being that as far as we know, laws have not been broken. Saggers made this point very clearly last night...the twenty clubs(each owning a 20th of the Prem) will simply protect their own interests.

They probably haven't broken any laws. What they have done is broken the trust with fans on many occasions, and this is the latest manifestation of that (which no doubt gets quickly forgotten about if we win a few games soon).

They're 'crime' is that they wont formally put the club up for sale whilst admitting they cant move the club forward themselves.

 

[deipnosophist]

Re the team, I suppose that's the thing isn't it? We know that we can't buy such a team, so the alternative is to build it from within. We have some super young players in the team at the moment, plus an exciting crop just below the first team.

Might it be that the club have decided to put all their eggs into the youth team as a route to progress?

The practicalities of life in the PL do not accommodate too much nurture time. Whilst I don't disagree that investment in the future is important, that may well become moot if the here and now denies it development. Everton's balance between present pragmatism and future optimism is out of whack...and that is due to lack of present day investment in present day match winners.

 

[Bigmaclad]

I'm sure talkSPORT did this last season and nothing came of it, what's changed?

 

[D410]

I am hopeful and surprised how quickly blue noses have come together agendas aside to say enough is enough.

We need to remember that we are the majority (in numbers) and we can do multiple things at the same time which makes us both nimble and agile in our pursuit. The club and it,s forum/Twitter snoopers cannot respond and control thousands of supporters if we all stand together and peruse multiple actions at the same time !

 

[Bluesnapper]

TNo one can agree with the aims of the BU , because no one knows what they are.

The aims of the BU have been on its website since day one and its been repeated often enough even to the extent of have banners made, if you dont know what they are thats your problem.

http://www.theblueunion.co.uk/?page_id=248

http://www.theblueunion.co.uk/?page_id=2

 

[deipnosophist]

Aye, considering they haven't invested a single penny or prepared to do a shares right issue to bring some new capital into the club we will carry on threading water.

It's been the ability of our managers to buy wisely with limited funds which have kept us in the top half of the table.

dead right...Moyes was unbelievably good at this. I have recently forgiven him "I know how Everton works, Roberto will soon" comments. He was right...and Martinez needs to rattle some board cages...or exit, because I think his skill set is entirely different to Moyes.

 

[Steve Wigan]

The aims of the BU have been on its website since day one and its been repeated often enough even to the extent of have banners made, if you dont know what they are thats your problem.

http://www.theblueunion.co.uk/?page_id=248

http://www.theblueunion.co.uk/?page_id=2

Oh..you mean the bit about getting professionals to sell the club, thats the only aim? How do small demonstrations and birthday cakes help to achieve that? Mind you, you're probably not the right person to ask, are you, not being involved ?

 

[jaycee]

I am hopeful and surprised how quickly blue noses have come together agendas aside to say enough is enough.

We need to remember that we are the majority (in numbers) and we can do multiple things at the same time which makes us both nimble and agile in our pursuit. The club and it,s forum/Twitter snoopers cannot respond and control thousands of supporters if we all stand together and peruse multiple actions at the same time !

My own personal opinion is that there is no real ground swell against the board,when looking on social media sites,for
every dissident voice raised against the board,theres seems to be several others claiming what a great job the board are doing,take away yesterdays talksport and the media paint a picture of a well run club that others aspire to be like
A few years ago we had to rely on a Rooney or Lescott to bail us out with the TV money available now there is no real pressure
on the manager to find hidden gems so we will still be here 5 years from now talking about the same things

 

[Jokerdan]

So everything would be ok with better communication between club and fans...and to do that entails having 'reasonable' people posing questions.

They have that through the so called fans forum they'd tell you.

In any case, dialogue would ensure what exactly?

Materially it would mean nothing at all. At the end of it the owners would still be the owners: a bunch of clueless clowns incapable of attracting investment and striking commercial contracts worthy of the club's status or construct a stadium.

The only way to deal with these people is not to deal with these people. Boycott the club and bring them to their knees and do that in combination with a full scale media campaign. Short term pain for long term gain.

Unpalatable to most, but it's the only way of sorting this ongoing nightmare out. If it's not taken then we go on for another decade of this at least.

Maybe next season the fans shouldn't renew their ST's until near the end of the transfer window - that might put pressure on the Board to indicate their intentions by driving home to them in their glass ceilinged ivory tower just how disgruntled the fans are and force them to act. Oh, wait a mo....isn't there a JCB-sized bucketful of money landing due to land on their doorstep at some point?

 

[The Esk]

Some very interesting points being made and actually far more common ground among a wide range of supporters than we've seen previously.

To re-iterate and add to what I said last night.

The club is in the position it is in due to the chronic under-investment since the start of the Premier League 23 years ago.

Performances on the pitch have to some extent masked this, but (i) over performance relative to resources is not sustainable over the long term, (ii) the levels previously reached are still not high enough given our standing in the game and the expectation of fans and (iii) the resource gap between Everton and our peers grow greater each year.

The key to sustainable success and development in the team, the stadium and our commercial performance is capital.

We cannot grow Everton out of revenues alone, especially when the revenues of our peers are growing at a faster rate than ours. If we continue this strategy we will continue our gradual decline.

The only solution is a significant injection of capital to develop the team, the stadium move or redevelopment of Goodison, and working capital to increase commercial revenues.

The capital can only realistically come from three sources, the existing shareholders, the introduction of new shareholders (or a combination of both) or a sale of the club to individuals or a corporation that can provide that funding.

It really is that stark and simple.

 

[deipnosophist]

My own personal opinion is that there is no real ground swell against the board,when looking on social media sites,for
every dissident voice raised against the board,theres seems to be several others claiming what a great job the board are doing,take away yesterdays talksport and the media paint a picture of a well run club that others aspire to be like
A few years ago we had to rely on a Rooney or Lescott to bail us out with the TV money available now there is no real pressure
on the manager to find hidden gems so we will still be here 5 years from now talking about the same things

...aye, there's the rub...

 

[D410]

My own personal opinion is that there is no real ground swell against the board,when looking on social media sites,for
every dissident voice raised against the board,theres seems to be several others claiming what a great job the board are doing,take away yesterdays talksport and the media paint a picture of a well run club that others aspire to be like
A few years ago we had to rely on a Rooney or Lescott to bail us out with the TV money available now there is no real pressure
on the manager to find hidden gems so we will still be here 5 years from now talking about the same things

If the echo held a snap poll today the vast majority would want them out. I think what is lost on fans sometime is that each and every fan does,nt need to join a group, they can take individual actions or sa maller group actions but all with the same purpose.

Time is really up for this lot now.

 

[allen]

My own personal opinion is that there is no real ground swell against the board,when looking on social media sites,for
every dissident voice raised against the board,theres seems to be several others claiming what a great job the board are doing,take away yesterdays talksport and the media paint a picture of a well run club that others aspire to be like
A few years ago we had to rely on a Rooney or Lescott to bail us out with the TV money available now there is no real pressure
on the manager to find hidden gems so we will still be here 5 years from now talking about the same things

While the on-field performance is even remotely acceptable to the masses, nothing will change.

If we were reliving the 90s on-field horror shows now, I think the mob would already have stormed the boardroom and pulled Kenwright's limbs off.

 

[D410]

Some very interesting points being made and actually far more common ground among a wide range of supporters than we've seen previously.

To re-iterate and add to what I said last night.

The club is in the position it is in due to the chronic under-investment since the start of the Premier League 23 years ago.

Performances on the pitch have to some extent masked this, but (i) over performance relative to resources is not sustainable over the long term, (ii) the levels previously reached are still not high enough given our standing in the game and the expectation of fans and (iii) the resource gap between Everton and our peers grow greater each year.

The key to sustainable success and development in the team, the stadium and our commercial performance is capital.

We cannot grow Everton out of revenues alone, especially when the revenues of our peers are growing at a faster rate than ours. If we continue this strategy we will continue our gradual decline.

The only solution is a significant injection of capital to develop the team, the stadium move or redevelopment of Goodison, and working capital to increase commercial revenues.

The capital can only realistically come from three sources, the existing shareholders, the introduction of new shareholders (or a combination of both) or a sale of the club to individuals or a corporation that can provide that funding.

It really is that stark and simple.

Indeed but the club have known this for years and sat and done nothing so the question is now what are WE going to do about it.