Everton Summer Transfer Thread - 2022

[Mr Happy]

Not really, Rcharlison has neither improved nor gotten worse in the time he has been here, he simply has just floated along, his goals have actually dropped a bit but his overall game has improved a bit. As for Gray, he has plenty of ability but can't put it down on a consistent basis, he had a few good games at the start of the season and since then has done nothing. Well thats the story of his career basically. He is never ever a top level player, championship maybe but not PL.

Wow. Tough crowd today. Interesting to hear your thoughts on who we sign who do meet criteria. I would offer that Gray is a decent Premier league player. Way better than Championship standard.

 

[Mr Happy]

Didn't do James any problems, fans loved it when he was here

There were no fans ?

 

[Neiler]

Watching the last ten games of the season very closely and to my mind its a great learning on players. Endless discussions on overall "qulaity" potential improvement, stats etc and disagreements around it.

To be honest, im looking around and im looking at those who are up for the fight, who will go to the trenches for you in a war like this. You are doing nothing in football if you dont win battles to trigger any quality in your team, doesnt matter how much of it you have - see United of Manchester.

 

[bluestevon]

Watching the last ten games of the season very closely and to my mind its a great learning on players. Endless discussions on overall "qulaity" potential improvement, stats etc and disagreements around it.

To be honest, im looking around and im looking at those who are up for the fight, who will go to the trenches for you in a war like this. You are doing nothing in football if you dont win battles to trigger any quality in your team, doesnt matter how much you have - see United of Manchester.

Good post mate.

Think the last two months of this season will have pretty much shaped the who stays who goes for the summer.

Can already see certain players have now been phased out as much as possible from the team, Keane, JJK both look done now I think. To a lesser extent I think DCL may have been.

Certain others have emerged as ones Lampard seems to trust - Gordon, Richy, Mina, Dacoure, Mylenko.

Think we can also see certain players who are near their end here like Coleman and Delph and maybe Holgate, that Lampard seems to like what they bring, and can imagine he tries to get in similar qualities (but younger with upside) to what they have.

Will be an interesting summer as for the first time I can remember we have a manager who will have a very very definitive idea on what he needs and will push for it.

The dream would be Gallacher in honesty, a dynamic young centre mid with bags of quality.

 

[Neiler]

Good post mate.

Think the last two months of this season will have pretty much shaped the who stays who goes for the summer.

Can already see certain players have now been phased out as much as possible from the team, Keane, JJK both look done now I think. To a lesser extent I think DCL may have been.

Certain others have emerged as ones Lampard seems to trust - Gordon, Richy, Mina, Dacoure, Mylenko.

Think we can also see certain players who are near their end here like Coleman and Delph and maybe Holgate, that Lampard seems to like what they bring, and can imagine he tries to get in similar qualities (but younger with upside) to what they have.

Will be an interesting summer as for the first time I can remember we have a manager who will have a very very definitive idea on what he needs and will push for it.

The dream would be Gallacher in honesty, a dynamic young centre mid with bags of quality.

Likewise mate good post.

Id do everything i could to hang onto Richarlison in particular and keep the core you mention - though Yerry is a maybe given his games return, wages and contract - but he has everything all fit. The players you mention need to be the baseline to build around, the ones who have shown and consistently show they are at it and care. Its been part of the problem, the culture at the club to my mind, im not sure the whole of our historic squads have had that fight for the club.

I think Coleman has another year in him, youd expect Patterson, to begin to come into it next year, but i think Seamus has proven over the last ten games he still has loads to contribute.

I think a certain clearing of the decks is healthy in June, Siggurdson, Delph, JJK, Tosun, DVB, El Ghazi both on and off the pitch and for the culture at the club, each tell their own story of excess and waste and poor decision making.

DCL id have a low threshold for selling, from a footballing perspective i said at the start of the year, that the only manager whoever got anything substantial out of him was Carlo and my fear was he would revert to who was under Silva, a fair player but not a 15 goal a season man. That was his challenge this year to prove me wrong, injuries aside, when hes played he just hasnt been on it and i look around and see lads limited but bursting a gut, i haven't seen that with him - all of the above leads me to think he is low hanging fruit for funds. From a business perspective though its a risk, if you are trading strikers you need to bring in goals, its the toughest gig in football adding goals to your team and a risky one if you get it wrong, so we need to be on that if we are selling. Lukaku a case in point.

To my mind we need another center back, an anchor midfielder, a play maker, maybe another 8 (though i havent waived the white flag a Dele). If DCL goes a striker.

If it were me, id be looking at Billy Gilmour - i rate him very highly, Brennen Johnson also, Frank im led to believe really likes Batshuayi, while if we did have money to spend, he loves Abraham to. Raphinha has a £25 mill release clause, in his contract if Leeds go down (unlikely i know) - however CL clubs will be all over that. While we cant ignore frees either with the likes of Tarkoowski on a free - we should be in for, as a mitgator if we have limits on finance. Priority though is a play maker. Gavin Bazunu or Sam Johnstone would also be a good investment.

Gallagher, will find a home away from Chelsea, maybe after returning there next year, i think the ship has sailed though and hes going for 30mill + - Billy Gilmour, in next year Gallagher, better player - though different, many wont agree with me there after his struggles at Norwich, but i think he is going to be a top player. Funny like Gallagher, who wasnt really noticeable in previous loans.

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[Nymzee]

Funny like Gallagher, who wasnt really noticeable in previous loans.

I mean that’s a lie.

 

[bluestevon]

Likewise mate good post.

Id do everything i could to hang onto Richarlison in particular and keep the core you mention - though Yerry is a maybe given his games return, wages and contract - but he has everything all fit. The players you mention need to be the baseline to build around, the ones who have shown and consistently show they are at it and care. Its been part of the problem, the culture at the club to my mind, im not sure the whole of our historic squads have had that fight for the club.

I think Coleman has another year in him, youd expect Patterson, to begin to come into it next year, but i think Seamus has proven over the last ten games he still has loads to contribute.

I think a certain clearing of the decks is healthy in June, Siggurdson, Delph, JJK, Tosun, DVB, El Ghazi both on and off the pitch and for the culture at the club, each tell their own story of excess and waste and poor decision making.

DCL id have a low threshold for selling, from a footballing perspective i said at the start of the year, that the only manager whoever got anything substantial out of him was Carlo and my fear was he would revert to who was under Silva, a fair player but not a 15 goal a season man. That was his challenge this year to prove me wrong, injuries aside, when hes played he just hasnt been on it and i look around and see lads limited but bursting a gut, i haven't seen that with him - all of the above leads me to think he is low hanging fruit for funds. From a business perspective though its a risk, if you are trading strikers you need to bring in goals, its the toughest gig in football adding goals to your team and a risky one if you get it wrong, so we need to be on that if we are selling. Lukaku a case in point.

To my mind we need another center back, an anchor midfielder, a play maker, maybe another 8 (though i havent waived the white flag a Dele). If DCL goes a striker.

If it were me, id be looking at Billy Gilmour - i rate him very highly, Brennen Johnson, Frank im led to believe really likes Batshuayi, while if we did have money to spend, he loves Abraham to. Raphinha has a £25 mill release clause, in his contract if ledds go down - however CL clubs will be all over that. While we cant ignore frees either with the likes of Tarkoowski on a free - we should be in for, as a mitgator if we have limits on finance. Priosity though is a play maker. Gavin Bazunu or Sam Johnstone would also be a good investment.

Gallagher, will find a home away from Chelsea, maybe after returning there next year, i think the ship has sailed though and hes going for 30mill + - Billy Gilmour, in next year Gallagher, better player - though different, many wont agree with me there after his struggles at Norwich, but i think he is going to be a top player. Funny like Gallagher, who wasnt really noticeable in previous loans.

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Nah mate point I disagree with is that Gallacher has looked good and noticably improved on every loan, I do like Gilmour but at this point Gallacher is at the stage there is absolutely zero doubts about if he's top quality now

 

[Nymzee]

Please sign some EFL players. Please.

 

[catcherintherye]

Not really mate, we signed Lescott from a relegated team, Jagielka came from one too, Richy signed from one who would be in the boat of struggling against it most years (going down this) Dacoure for me has been one of the best signings we've made in a few years.

Kone was that managers Rondon, a player who the manager knew and as such was brought in mainly for that reason.

Iceland and Williams both bought at frankly the wrong age, this was effectively their 'last big chance at a big money move' and afterwards that kinda showed as the hunger goes

Bolasie blew his knee out, was crap anyways, Townsend was brought in for nothing and I've no idea why he's on that list for.

Problem isn't signing players from teams near the bottom, problem is when you don't sign the right players from those teams.

Saints and hull provided the rs with two of their back four, Henderson came from Sunderland, mane came from saints too, that's four out of there best 11 over the last few seasons signed from teams you think signing players from is bad,

It's about who you sign, not where they are signed from

It's also about having some continuity in your first team set up as well, particularly between the DOF/Scouting team and manager. This feels the most joined up it's been since Silva/Brands and perhaps even more joined up. You have a manager who likes working with younger players, and a DOF who like's to recruit young players and a coaching team who have shown they can improve players.

In a lot of ways, that counts for as much as the specific individuals. The manager drip fed Robertson in, had him watching for half a season before he did so. We've done similar with Patterson and to a degree with Mykolenko. It probably means players like Holgate, maybe Davies etc have a role to play in a transition.

I get the sense Thelwell will be in the background more, but will also be more forceful than Brands at key moments. I've also had it on reasonable authority Moshiri is terrified by whats happened this season (which is no great surprise) so may finally be in a place where he actually tells certain people/agents to pipe down going forward. Unsworth going was an important step.

 

[Neiler]

Nah mate point I disagree with is that Gallacher has looked good and noticably improved on every loan, I do like Gilmour but at this point Gallacher is at the stage there is absolutely zero doubts about if he's top quality now

I mentioned him at the start of the year and lads on here were scoffing mate.

I watched him last year, he had a tough first half of the season at WBA, but he really came on the second half of the season, to be honest hes done better at Palace then i expected to be honest. But it goes to show hes on his fourth loan now, so i wouldnt be casting concrete judgements on the likes of Gilmour.

 

[catcherintherye]

Nah mate point I disagree with is that Gallacher has looked good and noticably improved on every loan, I do like Gilmour but at this point Gallacher is at the stage there is absolutely zero doubts about if he's top quality now

The thing with Gilmour is, with 12 moths to go, and a good relationship with Lampard, he will be a lot cheaper, and a lot lower risk.

 

[DualityNSNO]

In the discussion of better players from relegated sides - Gana was arguably our most important player from the moment he came to the moment he left.

I remember people being up in arms on here about him as well - lad was 2nd or 1st in literally every stat behind one of the most consistently good at what they do midfielders in the PL - Kante. Instantly showed his worth.

 

[Billy Dean]

I mentioned him at the start of the year and lads on here were scoffing mate.

I watched him last year, he had a tough first half of the season at WBA, but he really came on the second half of the season, to be honest hes done better at Palace then i expected to be honest. But it goes to show he on his fourth loan now, so i wouldnt be casting concrete judgements on the likes of Gilmour.

I think Tuchel has already said that he wants Gallagher as part of his first team squad next season and only reluctantly let him go to Palace this season. If I was a betting man I'd be putting money on him spending next season at Chelsea, and only leaving the following season if he doesn't get much game time.

 

[bluestevon]

The thing with Gilmour is, with 12 moths to go, and a good relationship with Lampard, he will be a lot cheaper, and a lot lower risk.

I'd love both here tbh mate,

Funny thing is whenever I hear the old quote about united from nobhead - the you win nothing with kids one, I always laugh as it seems like united invented the idea of a young hungry group of players coming through on mass, everyone forgetting the 84-85 Everton team and the average age they had.

Going forward the class needs to try imitate that - anyone good enough coming through like Gordon - Dobbins (if he is), buying the likes of Mylenko, Patterson, Braithwaite, Godfrey etc and try to do it that way, supported by 3-4 seasoned quality older players.

 

[Neiler]

I think Tuchel has already said that he wants Gallagher as part of his first team squad next season and only reluctantly let him go to Palace this season. If I was a betting man I'd be putting money on him spending next season at Chelsea, and only leaving the following season if he doesn't get much game time.

Same as mate, i think he will be back at Chelsea next season and be gone the following, though new owner so who knows, he will have a business model in mind.