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Everton Summer transfers 2021

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mikel_88 said:
Have no problem with townsend gray as basically squad options and better than what we have. Not fully sure what price thye looking for on zakaria mayne 20 which if he performs good we could get another 20mill on top of that and maybe sell him for 40 in the future. The signings we need now need to be first team players ie starter need atleast two for me

Agree would be good to made a move for him but though towsned was decent today looks like can offer us something and was impressed with gray looks dangerous
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Yes mate, if we landed Zakaria and he stayed injury free and got back to his best we could easily double our money and some if the fees only 20m. Him or similar and a starting rb we'd have a v. good starting 11. Livramento only just signed for the Saints so no chance we'd get him i didnt watch the match but heard he played well for them.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Can see why we would be interested in McNeil - a younger, quicker Townsend with arguably better crossing and more technical ability.

More crosses = more goals.
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Someone was telling me last night that a deal is apparently lined up. I didn't get involved in much of a conversation about it but the person saying it had heard it from someone with decent contacts (again, I'm not sure if these contacts are based in Liverpool, Burnley or elsewhere). Not much to go off and I'm only mentioning it due to your post.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Can see why we would be interested in McNeil - a younger, quicker Townsend with arguably better crossing and more technical ability.

More crosses = more goals.
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How are you Davey lad? Didn't know you were on here! How's life at West Ham?

Just banging crosses into the box does not just mean more goals. McNeil is not good enough. If we had 2 or 3 excellent wide players and brought him in as another option, then fine. We don't.
 

ForeverBlue92 said:
If only Moyes had played with a target man CF that game and not Rooney and Van Persie...
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Not all crosses were high. Plenty of low ones. Rooney and RVP got on the end of plenty of crosses in their time. It is a totally one dimensional way to play.

If swinging in crosses to target men is the answer and McNeil is so accurate, why hasn't he got more assists? Chris Wood and Ashley Barnes are great in the air. Their CBs are no slouches in the air either. It's because it is totally one-dimensional. If your CBs aren't dominant, you just cut off the crossing at source, if they are, you just sit deep, let the ball come in and head it away. It's an embarrassingly limited way to play football.

And what you said about him being a younger, quicker Townsend, with better technical ability - is that our benchmark? Don't care how rubbish we currently are, we will only go backwards with that mentality. We should be using benchmarks like: he's like a younger, quicker James (our best technical player), with greater stamina. That's the kind of player we want.
 
Dwight K Schrute said:
Not all crosses were high. Plenty of low ones. Rooney and RVP got on the end of plenty of crosses in their time. It is a totally one dimensional way to play.

If swinging in crosses to target men is the answer and McNeil is so accurate, why hasn't he for more assists? Chris Wood and Ashley Barnes are great in the air. Their CBs are no slouches in the air either. It's because it is totally one-dimensional. If your CBs aren't dominant, you just cut off the crossing at source, if they are, you just sit deep, let the ball come in and head it away. It's an embarrassingly limited way to play football.

And what you said about him being a younger, quicker Townsend, with better technical ability - is that our benchmark? Don't care how rubbish we currently are, we will only go backwards with that mentality. We should be using benchmarks like: he's like a younger, quicker James (our best technical player), with greater stamina. That's the kind of player we want.
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Ideally we would have a plan B but reality is we are skint this summer and any funds need to be going towards adding quality to our Plan A.

Man City have unlimited funds and dont have a plan B.
 
Dwight K Schrute said:
Not all crosses were high. Plenty of low ones. Rooney and RVP got on the end of plenty of crosses in their time. It is a totally one dimensional way to play.

If swinging in crosses to target men is the answer and McNeil is so accurate, why hasn't he got more assists? Chris Wood and Ashley Barnes are great in the air. Their CBs are no slouches in the air either. It's because it is totally one-dimensional. If your CBs aren't dominant, you just cut off the crossing at source, if they are, you just sit deep, let the ball come in and head it away. It's an embarrassingly limited way to play football.

And what you said about him being a younger, quicker Townsend, with better technical ability - is that our benchmark? Don't care how rubbish we currently are, we will only go backwards with that mentality. We should be using benchmarks like: he's like a younger, quicker James (our best technical player), with greater stamina. That's the kind of player we want.
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Are they? They're hiding it well.

And all you've done there is provided evidence of where crossing didn't work particularly well in one game of football...

Proves absolutely nothing.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Ideally we would have a plan B but reality is we are skint this summer and any funds need to be going towards adding quality to our Plan A.

Man City have unlimited funds and dont have a plan B.
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They don't need to have a plans B because they have unlimited funds. They can afford the best players to make their style work.

You are proposing to severely limit our style of play to one that lower table teams play and find the lower table quality players adept at playing it. Skint or not, how will we ever improve with that model?

If we have money, of the players we are linked with, I would much rather we signed Nunes (even though he's not a winger) than McNeil. Nunes might turn out to be rubbish, but he is young, has a decent turn of pace, has potential and is clearly very adept at carrying the ball, which creates space for team mates and gets us through transitions more effectively.

Even though we need a winger, we will be spending probably another £15 million (as a conservative guess) to buy McNeil compared to what we'd pay for Nunes. McNeill would not give us anything that we desperately need.

I haven't got the answers as to who we could get for little money from around the world, because I am not a scout. But we need wingers of the profile of Silas Wamangituka etc., not McNeil. And McNeil will cost us a fortune because we would be buying a rubbish PL team's best player.

Buying rubbish/poor/average PL proven players is most of what has got us in this mess. Ashley Williams, Michael Keane, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Yanick Bolasie, Fabians Delph, Alex Iwobi etc. The logic was that we will get where we need to be because they are PL proven. But they cost more and you have to question if they are actually that good anyway.

We need to start doing proper scouting across the world.
 
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Dixie1sixty said:
Are they? They're hiding it well.

And all you've done there is provided evidence of where crossing didn't work particularly well in one game of football...

Proves absolutely nothing.
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It was tongue in cheek. Crossing all the time is not how to be successful. It's a redundant old-fashioned way of playing. And yes Chris Wood and Ashley Barnes are good in the air
 
Dwight K Schrute said:
They don't need to have a plans B because they have unlimited funds. They can afford the best players to make their style work.

You are proposing to severely limit our style of play to one that lower table teams play and find the lower table quality players adept at playing it. Skint or not, how will we ever improve with that model?

If we have money, of the players we are linked with, I would much rather we signed Nunes (even though he's not a winger) than McNeil. Nunes might turn out to be rubbish, but he is young, has a decent turn of pace, has potential and is clearly very adept at carrying the ball, which creates space for team mates and gets us through transitions more effectively.

Even though we need a winger, we will be spending probably another £15 million (as a conservative guess) to buy McNeil compared to what we'd pay for Nunes. McNeill would not give us anything that we desperately need.

I haven't got the answers as to who we could get for little money from around the world, because I am not a scout. But we need wingers of the profile of Silas Wamangituka etc., not McNeil. And McNeil will cost us a fortune because we would be buying a rubbish PL team's best player.

Buying rubbish/poor/average PL proven players is most of what has got us in this mess. Ashley Williams, Michael Keane, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Yanick Bolasie, Fabians Delph, Alex Iwobi etc. The logic was that we will get where we need to be because they are PL proven. But they cost more and you have to question if they are actually that good anyway.

We need to start doing proper scouting across the world.
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We won 3-1 mate.

But I agree we need to scout better.
 

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