Everton Transfer Thread 2016

[bluestevon]

Only if we had a dishonest owner and board, plus incompetent auditors - even if they contemplated "creative accounting" it's not worth it and to the best of my knowledge Moshiri is not dishonest.

I think we'll increase the wage bill by between £20 and £40 million this year, we can't fudge our revenues by that amount - we will need to create a player trading profit to comply with STCC.

I take it that the figure your suggesting is in excess of the 7m allowance in the rules per season mate.

Cleverley - 8m (pure STCC profit), McCarthy being sold for 15m (would give us a STCC profit of 8-9m), both figures are low estimates and are on players who looking at the lay of the land could very well be pout the door, perfectly feasible to see them going for figures more akin to 10-12 for Cleverley and 18-20m for McCarthy as well in the current climate. But even using the low estimates that would rake in 16m in STCC profits straight away, throw in a few more fringe playes such as the Oviedo, Garbutt, Lennon, McGeady, Kone - and say 3m profit on each and could easily see a STCC profit of 9m from 3 of these types being offloaded, which would put us on around a 25m STCC profit priot to having to sell Stones.

Throw in a relatively low temporary naming rights issue - 4m per year say, and we'd be close to the 30m mark not even including the 7m annual increase allowed. As for maybe certain of our fringe players us struggling to find a buyer who would take on their wgaes AND pay a fee, now thats where we can get sneaky, part pay their wages whilst recieving a fee will see us benefit a lot through the STCC regulations they way they are set out

Not the ideal situation - because it involves us having to spend a lot of time sorting outgoings and not as 'safe' as one big sale for sorting out the worries, but for a figure of 25m increase in wages it is perfectly managable whilst 'trimming' either fringe or unwanted players.

Now if the plan is closer to 40m then it's a different ballgame and will 100% require a Stones etc to be sold to comply.


Side note though, i still think we sell Stones, just playing devils advocate in this post

 

[Thomasc]

Think we are going to see a major overhaul of the squad, which maybe should not be done so close to the season but timing cannot be perfect all the time.

As long as the first team look strong then we can get off to a decent start and good players should slot in easily when brought in.

Can see exits for the following, on loan or sold - Obviously Stones, Barry, McGeady, Niasse, Kone, Garbutt and Gibson.

Loans for some of the youngsters, maybe a couple out of Davis, Dowell, Pennington, Galloway, Holgate or Connolly.

As Zat says in the midfield thread, we are quite heavily overloaded there so probably the area which will see most movement.

 

[timmyistop]

I get the feeling it's a little bit like the scene in pretty women, where Julia Roberts (Everton) is sent out to buy a dress for a night at the opera. She turns up at shops she has never been to before looking like a scruffy hooker and none of the shop assistants (agents) wants to sell her anything smart. In the end the man with the money ( gere/moshiri) comes and tells them she can spend what she wants. Suddenly they are all over the scruffy hooker and she gets a load of top looking dresses. In the end she drives round in an open top limo with the champions league trophy with the money man completely besotted by her!

Or have I read the situation wrong!

 

[BlueToff]

I want to see:

Koulibaly Leno and Carvalho signed and Stones staying.

unfortunately Zat, as awesome as that'd be, I think it's a tad unrealistic.

All players that may well be playing for us in the end, like, but I don't think we'll bring that many in without letting Stones go.

 

[Nymzee]

Thing is, everyone was buzzing about Walsh coming in, yet no one seems to be letting him do his job. Do you really think we brought a DoF in to help us scout the Juan Mata's of this world? Everyone knows these players are good. A DoF helps us spend wisely by finding gems otherwise why would we employ him?

 

[duncan's pigeon]

I take it that the figure your suggesting is in excess of the 7m allowance in the rules per season mate.

Cleverley - 8m (pure STCC profit), McCarthy being sold for 15m (would give us a STCC profit of 8-9m), both figures are low estimates and are on players who looking at the lay of the land could very well be pout the door, perfectly feasible to see them going for figures more akin to 10-12 for Cleverley and 18-20m for McCarthy as well in the current climate. But even using the low estimates that would rake in 16m in STCC profits straight away, throw in a few more fringe playes such as the Oviedo, Garbutt, Lennon, McGeady, Kone - and say 3m profit on each and could easily see a STCC profit of 9m from 3 of these types being offloaded, which would put us on around a 25m STCC profit priot to having to sell Stones.



Throw in a relatively low temporary naming rights issue - 4m per year say, and we'd be close to the 30m mark not even including the 7m annual increase allowed. As for maybe certain of our fringe players us struggling to find a buyer who would take on their wgaes AND pay a fee, now thats where we can get sneaky, part pay their wages whilst recieving a fee will see us benefit a lot through the STCC regulations they way they are set out

Not the ideal situation - because it involves us having to spend a lot of time sorting outgoings and not as 'safe' as one big sale for sorting out the worries, but for a figure of 25m increase in wages it is perfectly managable whilst 'trimming' either fringe or unwanted players.

Now if the plan is closer to 40m then it's a different ballgame and will 100% require a Stones etc to be sold to comply.


Side note though, i still think we sell Stones, just playing devils advocate in this post

I like this devil!!

 

[bluestevon]

Thing is, everyone was buzzing about Walsh coming in, yet no one seems to be letting him do his job. Do you really think we brought a DoF in to help us scout the Juan Mata's of this world? Everyone knows these players are good. A DoF helps us spend wisely by finding gems otherwise why would we employ him?

I will be well happy if we sign a few of the players he has in his little black book mate

Ziyech was linked to Leicester a whilst back as well, those two lads for the type of money we are looking at (15m combined or so) would be cracking punts on players with potentially a huge upside for not much risk

 

[Nymzee]

I will be well happy if we sign a few of the players he has in his little black book mate

Ziyech was linked to Leicester a whilst back as well, those two lads for the type of money we are looking at (15m combined or so) would be cracking punts on players with potentially a huge upside for not much risk

Yeh I love these £30-40m transfers but just because we have all that money doesn't mean we have to spend it all. More money than sense springs to mind (RS).

 

[bluestevon]

Yeh I love these £30-40m transfers but just because we have all that money doesn't mean we have to spend it all. More money than sense springs to mind (RS).

My hope is that We go tget the ones Koeman wants to sort the starting 11 out, and maybe the depth is more left to Walsh and his scouting network, they will get their chances over the season to show the manager just how good they are

 

[Ashtonian]

It has always been about squad building, which is why we have employed a manager and DOF who does exactly that.

The squad is in balanced horribly, and so many players who are not good enough to plug the holes which showed through last season that we didn't have many options. So bringing in players to do roles in the team is the important thing here, as much as a witsel and carvalhio are first team ready now, when back ups are 36 / always injured x 2 / players not suitable for the role we need to have options there. Plus the different options leads to different approaches to games.

If we can technically end this window replacing McGeady / Barry / Kone / Niasse / Howard then we will be much stronger as there is 5 able players.

Barry should be making a move out the club. I don't care if he can still do a job, he is 36 and needs replacing now rather than have him finish himself half way through the season.

 

[BlueToff]

It has always been about squad building, which is why we have employed a manager and DOF who does exactly that.

The squad is in balanced horribly, and so many players who are not good enough to plug the holes which showed through last season that we didn't have many options. So bringing in players to do roles in the team is the important thing here, as much as a witsel and carvalhio are first team ready now, when back ups are 36 / always injured x 2 / players not suitable for the role we need to have options there. Plus the different options leads to different approaches to games.

If we can technically end this window replacing McGeady / Barry / Kone / Niasse / Howard then we will be much stronger as there is 5 able players.

Barry should be making a move out the club. I don't care if he can still do a job, he is 36 and needs replacing now rather than have him finish himself half way through the season.

he isn't 36 and he was the player of the year last year. he can do much more than 'still do a job' as well

 

[mightymoyes]

he isn't 36 and he was the player of the year last year. he can do much more than 'still do a job' as well

yip he can build on his record collection of yellow cards

 

[BlueToff]

yip he can build on his record collection of yellow cards

hah. In all seriousness, unless a decent enough offer comes in I see no need at all to let Barry leave though.

 

[suey_11]

Gueye and Brady links have actually made me more relaxed.
Rather than getting frustrated and annoyed at the Witsel, Mata and Carvahlo trilogy, not bothered either way on these two and it seems normal order has been resumed.


Today is a good day as it's not a Friday...

 

[Ashtonian]

he isn't 36 and he was the player of the year last year. he can do much more than 'still do a job' as well

and what happens when for arguments sake Gibson and Besic injured again (not out of the question), we have an injury and then it turns out Barrys legs have gone? considering Distin at a similar age was fine in may, finished by august.

Do succesful teams actually rely on these players? Terry is being relegated to a bit part role this season, untied move their players on and any that have sustained themselves have been far beyond the 'good' area. Barry has no pace, if he loses any more of that lack of pace then he will be exposed so much and leave gaping holes in the middle.

That is the point, if we are signing internationals to play first choice then still having a player who may or may not be able to offer something is just a gamble. Can we really afford to gamble like that?