Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

[Zatara]

Why would we pay top dollar for a centre half that needs “moulding”
Classic Everton failings. Just go and buy someone who can defend. It’s like buying an injury prone player and then complaining when they get injured. I can see it now, stones making errors and us all on here saying we knew what he was like. If we want good defenders, we need to buy players who are already good defenders. Simple really

I think you missed my point.

As I wrote a few times, Ancelotti has been playing 442. For me I see RB as being key this window.

If we are going to continue to play the RB / RCB hybrid that Coleman has been playing then it must be a defender who can play both positions.

That player must also be able to have good positioning and technique with the ball as he'll be the one to get the ball out to the right midfielder e.g Iwobi and come out from the back as an outlet.

So that was my point about Todibo and Stones, they have both got the skillset to be moulded into that hybrid position.

Unless you can name someone else we could sign in world football thats obviously playing that exact role then anyone coming in would need to be moulded.

For me, the role suits Todibo or Stones which is why i would imagine they would be linked.

The out and out 2 centre backs are a different story and that imo should be Holgate and Gabriel.

 

[Eggs]

I think you missed my point.

As I wrote a few times, Ancelotti has been playing 442. For me I see RB as being key this window.

If we are going to continue to play the RB / RCB hybrid that Coleman has been playing then it must be a defender who can play both positions.

That player must also be able to have good positioning and technique with the ball as he'll be the one to get the ball out to the right midfielder e.g Iwobi and come out from the back as an outlet.

So that was my point about Todibo and Stones, they have both got the skillset to be moulded into that hybrid position.

Unless you can name someone else we could sign in world football thats obviously playing that exact role then anyone coming in would need to be moulded.

For me, the role suits Todibo or Stones which is why i would imagine they would be linked.

The out and out 2 centre backs are a different story and that imo should be Holgate and Gabriel.

....have to admit to not noticing Coleman playing Right sided Centre Back position.

 

[Zatara]

....have to admit to not noticing Coleman playing Right sided Centre Back position.

With Coleman
When the opposition have the ball we have 4 at the back...when we have the ball its more of a loose 3 with Digne moving forwards and Coleman staying between Iwobi and the RCB usually.

With Sidibe
Attack minded with Walcott ahead 442 with/without the ball


Not always like these 2 examples but Coleman looks more like a RCB in a loose 3 to me rather than a rigid 4 or 3 in defence.


No idea if Ancelotti is doing this to cover for Keane and Colemans obvious weaknesses or its how we continue but it works.

So for that role id go for a player who can play both RB and RCB. Obviously if we just stick to a 4 then Id sign the next Cafu who is Emerson from Barca lol

 

[Nymzee]

With Coleman
When the opposition have the ball we have 4 at the back...when we have the ball its more of a loose 3 with Digne moving forwards and Coleman staying between Iwobi and the RCB usually.

With Sidibe
Attack minded with Walcott ahead 442 with/without the ball


Not always like these 2 examples but Coleman looks more like a RCB in a loose 3 to me rather than a rigid 4 or 3 in defence.


No idea if Ancelotti is doing this to cover for Keane and Colemans obvious weaknesses or its how we continue but it works.

So for that role id go for a player who can play both RB and RCB. Obviously if we just stick to a 4 then Id sign the next Cafu who is Emerson from Barca lol

RB/RCB

 

[Real_madras]

....have to admit to not noticing Coleman playing Right sided Centre Back position.
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I didn't either, I put down Coleman being more defensive to playing against Liverpool and needing to do that job. Then the heat at Norwich, plus they play their full backs like wingers. Carlo has obviously been putting loads of work in to his back four. I think we'll bring in a centre half, hope Kenny comes back and a Baines signs. Or we will need cover for all three positions. The Middle of the park is my worry, apart from Gomes there isn't much there.

 

[Eggs]

With Coleman
When the opposition have the ball we have 4 at the back...when we have the ball its more of a loose 3 with Digne moving forwards and Coleman staying between Iwobi and the RCB usually.

With Sidibe
Attack minded with Walcott ahead 442 with/without the ball


Not always like these 2 examples but Coleman looks more like a RCB in a loose 3 to me rather than a rigid 4 or 3 in defence.


No idea if Ancelotti is doing this to cover for Keane and Colemans obvious weaknesses or its how we continue but it works.

So for that role id go for a player who can play both RB and RCB. Obviously if we just stick to a 4 then Id sign the next Cafu who is Emerson from Barca lol

....the tactic is probably more to do with; ‘if one FB attacks, then the other tucks in”. it’s clever.

Remember us losing a decent lead at Chelsea a few years ago. With not long to go our RB was the furthest player forward, crazy. Fabragas knocked a long ball to the striker running our RB channel and Stones/Jagielka were totally exposed. We conceded a goal.

Its a good strategy you’ve noticed but I’m not sure it requires hybrid CB/FB. Conventional FBs with one tucking in when the other bombs forward is clever. As i keep saying, I think we need players with Rolls Royce engines and that would certainly help that tactic.

 

[Azza]

With Coleman
When the opposition have the ball we have 4 at the back...when we have the ball its more of a loose 3 with Digne moving forwards and Coleman staying between Iwobi and the RCB usually.

With Sidibe
Attack minded with Walcott ahead 442 with/without the ball


Not always like these 2 examples but Coleman looks more like a RCB in a loose 3 to me rather than a rigid 4 or 3 in defence.


No idea if Ancelotti is doing this to cover for Keane and Colemans obvious weaknesses or its how we continue but it works.

So for that role id go for a player who can play both RB and RCB. Obviously if we just stick to a 4 then Id sign the next Cafu who is Emerson from Barca lol

That's just standard fullback tactics.

When one goes forward the other stays back. When Coleman goes forward, Digne doesn't go forward at the same time.

You either have both full backs go forward and a CM drop back like Martinez, Silva and Koeman would do. Barry and Gueye the perfect example. Or you have a fullback stay back.

I assume Ancelotti prefers the latter because of just how bad our CM can be so doesn't want to risk getting overloaded every time.

 

[Zatara]

....the tactic is probably more to do with; ‘if one FB attacks, then the other tucks in”. it’s clever.

Remember us losing a decent lead at Chelsea a few years ago. With not long to go our RB was the furthest player forward, crazy. Fabragas knocked a long ball to the striker running our RB channel and Stones/Jagielka were totally exposed. We conceded a goal.

Its a good strategy you’ve noticed but I’m not sure it requires hybrid CB/FB. Conventional FBs with one tucking in when the other bombs forward is clever. As i keep saying, I think we need players with Rolls Royce engines and that would certainly help that tactic.

That's just standard fullback tactics.

When one goes forward the other stays back. When Coleman goes forward, Digne doesn't go forward at the same time.

You either have both full backs go forward and a CM drop back like Martinez, Silva and Koeman would do. Barry and Gueye the perfect example. Or you have a fullback stay back.

I assume Ancelotti prefers the latter because of just how bad our CM can be so doesn't want to risk getting overloaded every time.

I understand, but when Sidibe plays its like you both describe with one of Digne / Sidibe holding back more (Sidibes lack of positioning notwithstanding). Its just 442 both ways.

With Coleman we saw precovid and now post covid at least 4 games where probably 90% of the time he looked like a RCB in a 3 when we have the ball.

Then in front of him with the RM(Iwobi now or anyone but walcott before) theyve been a mix of RM/RWB with Coleman RCB in a 3.

Thats how i see it anyway.

I definitely dont see Coleman as a typical RB in a 442 when we have the ball. Maybe 10% of the time only.

 

[neilsyd]

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I think you missed my point.

As I wrote a few times, Ancelotti has been playing 442. For me I see RB as being key this window.

If we are going to continue to play the RB / RCB hybrid that Coleman has been playing then it must be a defender who can play both positions.

That player must also be able to have good positioning and technique with the ball as he'll be the one to get the ball out to the right midfielder e.g Iwobi and come out from the back as an outlet.

So that was my point about Todibo and Stones, they have both got the skillset to be moulded into that hybrid position.

Unless you can name someone else we could sign in world football thats obviously playing that exact role then anyone coming in would need to be moulded.

For me, the role suits Todibo or Stones which is why i would imagine they would be linked.

The out and out 2 centre backs are a different story and that imo should be Holgate and Gabriel.

I hear you. Narrow 4 in midfield and now a narrow four at the back. Crying out for some width aren’t we.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

I think you missed my point.

As I wrote a few times, Ancelotti has been playing 442. For me I see RB as being key this window.

If we are going to continue to play the RB / RCB hybrid that Coleman has been playing then it must be a defender who can play both positions.

That player must also be able to have good positioning and technique with the ball as he'll be the one to get the ball out to the right midfielder e.g Iwobi and come out from the back as an outlet.

So that was my point about Todibo and Stones, they have both got the skillset to be moulded into that hybrid position.

Unless you can name someone else we could sign in world football thats obviously playing that exact role then anyone coming in would need to be moulded.

For me, the role suits Todibo or Stones which is why i would imagine they would be linked.

The out and out 2 centre backs are a different story and that imo should be Holgate and Gabriel.

I think you missed my point.

As I wrote a few times, Ancelotti has been playing 442. For me I see RB as being key this window.

If we are going to continue to play the RB / RCB hybrid that Coleman has been playing then it must be a defender who can play both positions.

That player must also be able to have good positioning and technique with the ball as he'll be the one to get the ball out to the right midfielder e.g Iwobi and come out from the back as an outlet.

So that was my point about Todibo and Stones, they have both got the skillset to be moulded into that hybrid position.

Unless you can name someone else we could sign in world football thats obviously playing that exact role then anyone coming in would need to be moulded.

For me, the role suits Todibo or Stones which is why i would imagine they would be linked.

The out and out 2 centre backs are a different story and that imo should be Holgate and Gabriel.

We need a left footed CB.All these links to right footed CBs makes no sense. We need a left footer to add balance and so we've got someone who's not constantly playing on his weaker foot.

 

[Zatara]

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I hear you. Narrow 4 in midfield and now a narrow four at the back. Crying out for some width aren’t we.

The width comes on the left.

We need a left footed CB.All these links to right footed CBs makes no sense. We need a left footer to add balance and so we've got someone who's not constantly playing on his weaker foot.

Theyre different positions.

 

[bluebud]

We need a left footed CB.All these links to right footed CBs makes no sense. We need a left footer to add balance and so we've got someone who's not constantly playing on his weaker foot.

...and a left footed CB hits a ball down the line that will curl back into play for his winger rather than out of play

 

[firefighterblue]

Still being linked to Gabriel reports say we will have to pay £20. Look forward to his medical again!

 

[mightymoyes]

Think Branthwaite will be in before both those??

No Gibson would be ahead of Braithwaite currently but its all about taking your chance, if Holgate or Keane get injured Braithwaite will have the chance to put himself ahead.

 

[zook]

Think Coleman plays that RB/RCB hybrid partly due to tactical reasons and just partly due to the fact he’s no longer a threat in the attack and doesn’t have the ability or pace to threaten on the overlap. While Seamus is still a great defender we need a right back who can defend but also has the pace to overlap and provide width and more options for our RM to be able to threaten the opposition.