Everton v Crystal Palace. 7th Dec at 20:00.

[Jeff Jones]

We played some good stuff last night but it's possibly the most frustrated I've ever left Goodison in a long time.

I know the feeling. I was at the Panathinaikos match.lol

 

[Ashtonian]

Thats the frustration though surely? We do have a brilliant young team but we are 9th and about 9 points worse off than we should be.

It is yeah. We aren't the only team right now who can feel those fustrations. Arsenal for example, where would they be if their first team wasn't getting injured every game?

I may be wrong but Baines coming back may make a massive difference to our fortunes in the coming weeks. Galloway not being able to attack has limisted us but a Fully fit baines could well prove to add a extra dimension to the side, and attacks from both could prove to be deadly if we can carry on doing what we did last night.

 

[Dymak]

To be fair mate.

If Bournmouth dont score instantly from the kick off last week, and one of those woodwork or corners goes in last night, we would be sitting 4 points better off, would that change your perspective? Bournemouth they were lucky, palace were organised and very lucky (bar barrys stupidity), If you can't watch last nights game and see an actual brilliant young team then you will never enjoy football under martinez.

Mate, I'm willing to enter into balanced discussions on the matter, but removing goals scored by the opposition in order to change the result so it suits your agenda is not being balanced at all. Neither is describing a team that is lying in ninth, and who have failed to beat a team in the top half of the league by December, as 'actually brilliant'.

Is that how you would be describing Everton if you added them to your list above? United and City are given descriptions suited to a struggling side, but the side lying in ninth with the same points as Watford and Stoke is being described as 'actually brilliant'?

 

[Ashtonian]

Mate, I'm willing to enter balanced discussions on the matter, but removing goals scored by the opposition in order to change the result so it suits your agenda is not being balanced at all. Neither is describing a team that is lying in ninth, and who have failed to beat a team in the top half of the league by December, as 'actually brilliant'.

Is that how you would be describing Everton if you added them to your list above? United and City are given descriptions suited to a struggling side, but the side lying in ninth with the same points as Watford and Stoke is being described as 'actually brilliant'?

The 'goals' i am talking about include one 3 minutes after extra time had finished and the literally hitting of the wood work or the double figures of corners we had. It isnt to suit my agenda at all, any other week any of our chances goes in, hell wickhams header goes in any other week. It was bad luck, same as Bournemouth was bad luck.

But what i do see is a winger with 7 assists sol far, 6 for the striker. I see a striker who is already on 13-14 goals so far this year. I see a young attacking midfielder with however many assists and 7 goals (after being slagged off at the start for not scoring double figures from pundits). Hell our back up strikers have scored at least 5 goals each so far. So i personally have a lot of confidence in this Everton team to do well, when our luck changes we will achieve good things.

I think your 'agenda' doesn't factor in such a difficult start to the season, expecting us to hit the ground running and when we cant beat the best defense in the league, or get beat by a team who started off beating everyone and so on, it suddenly is a bench mark for us being average?

 

[Dymak]

The 'goals' i am talking about include one 3 minutes after extra time had finished and the literally hitting of the wood work or the double figures of corners we had. It isnt to suit my agenda at all, any other week any of our chances goes in, hell wickhams header goes in any other week. It was bad luck, same as Bournemouth was bad luck.

But what i do see is a winger with 7 assists sol far, 6 for the striker. I see a striker who is already on 13-14 goals so far this year. I see a young attacking midfielder with however many assists and 7 goals (after being slagged off at the start for not scoring double figures from pundits). Hell our back up strikers have scored at least 5 goals each so far. So i personally have a lot of confidence in this Everton team to do well, when our luck changes we will achieve good things.

I think your 'agenda' doesn't factor in such a difficult start to the season, expecting us to hit the ground running and when we cant beat the best defense in the league, or get beat by a team who started off beating everyone and so on, it suddenly is a bench mark for us being average?

If my Aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The bench mark for being average is sitting in midtable, which we are doing at pretty much the halfway point. Your position is highly unbalanced. You are describing West Ham as being 'Hit and miss so far', which I agree with despite them claiming a lot of high-profile wins against many top half sides, but then you're describing Everton as being 'actually brilliant'.

If you continue to remove goals scored by the opposition in order to change the outcome of games, and if you continue to harp on about the supposed hardest start to a season in the history of world football, then your delusion of Everton being 'actually brilliant' will also continue. The table and reality suggests otherwise.

 

[Ihaters]

The football we play at the moment is massively better than last season, and massively better than the start of this season, we are not picking up the points, but all around the pitch we have players comfortable on the ball, playing great football.

We just can't defend, we score goals every game and they are beautifully crafted things lately, but we defend like amateurs at times and its costing us.

 

[degsy]

Think you missed my point. If we'd have won it I'd have been getting carried away and having premature dreams of a title push. Last night and Bournemouth proves we're just not there yet, but clearly we're becoming a great attacking side. A bit of luck last night and we would've been talking about an absolutely ruthless display.

Clearly we have lapses in concentration at the back and we really need to be more dominant in our own box, but for the most part we defended alright. We were always going to leave ourselves open to the counter as we pushed forward, and they're one of the best teams at it.

I said to my dad before the game, win or draw tonight will be the difference between a very good season for us or a very average one. That might still be right but after seeing the performance I'm not sure, I left the ground feeling that we were so unlucky. Pretty soon I can see us turning these draws into wins and if we string a few together we'll be right on the heels of the top 4 - who will hopefully keep slipping up along the way.

cogent reply and fairplay to you, but you're livin in a 'kin dream world. the team might have it deep down but Martinez don't, he's too fixated on the one true dream that resides in his head...the one that doesn't include defending to any extent

 

[degsy]

The football we play at the moment is massively better than last season, and massively better than the start of this season, we are not picking up the points, but all around the pitch we have players comfortable on the ball, playing great football.

We just can't defend, we score goals every game and they are beautifully crafted things lately, but we defend like amateurs at times and its costing us.

So what's the man going to do about it?? on past form the cure seems to more of what we're doing now, net result Jack aka 3-3 Vs Bmouth 1-1 Vs Palace. etc

I'm done - we're on the no change express to 7-ish

 

[Number_25]

Mad to think that a lot of Everton fans are saying we're top four contenders when we can't even put a poor Palace side away at home.

 

[Ashtonian]

If my Aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The bench mark for being average is sitting in midtable, which we are doing at pretty much the halfway point. Your position is highly unbalanced. You are describing West Ham as being 'Hit and miss so far', which I agree with despite them claiming a lot of high-profile wins against many top half sides, but then you're describing Everton as being 'actually brilliant'.

If you continue to remove goals scored by the opposition in order to change the outcome of games, and if you continue to harp on about the supposed hardest start to a season in the history of world football, then your delusion of Everton being 'actually brilliant' will also continue. The table and reality suggests otherwise.

We played united who are currently got the best defence in the league.

We played city who at the time were brushing teams part and were moving 12 points clear of everyone else

We played Arsenal who won simply because of world class ozil.

We played Swansea when they had a great start to the season and had beaten United (remember best defensive team)

Dropped points vs Bournemouth who scored 3 minutes after extra time

Dropped points vs palace after hitting the woodwork 3 times

We drew vs West ham after they have beaten all the top teams.


Be misrerable all you want mate, but i'm not going to beat the team or manager with a stick that is just full of negativity.

 

[meagher94]

cogent reply and fairplay to you, but you're livin in a 'kin dream world. the team might have it deep down but Martinez don't, he's too fixated on the one true dream that resides in his head...the one that doesn't include defending to any extent

I said if we can string a few wins together we'll be on the heels of the top 4, how is that living in a dream world? This is not a normal season. Leicester are top and Chelsea are 14th, anything is possible.

Would you sack the manager then? You're pretty insistent that we're going nowhere.

 

[meagher94]

Mad to think that a lot of Everton fans are saying we're top four contenders when we can't even put a poor Palace side away at home.

Some Liverpool fans and pundits would tell you they can still win the league. Now that's quite ridiculous but they're certainly top 4 contenders, and we're a point behind them. With a bit of luck last night, we'd be 2 points ahead of them. So how is it so hard to believe?

Jose has only just now conceded that top 4 might be a stretch too far, and they're 7 points behind us.

We're 7 points off 4th with 69 points to play for. If our own fans are already completely ruling us out then God help us.

 

[garyw]

This is the most exciting team since 1986 bar non sit back & enjoy the ride the SCHOOL OF SCIENCE is back !!

 

[Minimeister]

Mad to think that a lot of Everton fans are saying we're top four contenders when we can't even put a poor Palace side away at home.

Wow. Poor Palace side? This is the team that has won the most points away from home this year. Some of our fans must watch different games to me. Last season our worry was that we couldn't break down teams at home. 11 goals in the last 3 and could easily have won 3/4-1 last night and some of the football has been brilliant. I think we're top 4 contenders because I haven't seen more than 4 better teams than us this season.

 

[Dymak]

We played united who are currently got the best defence in the league.

We played city who at the time were brushing teams part and were moving 12 points clear of everyone else

We played Arsenal who won simply because of world class ozil.

We played Swansea when they had a great start to the season and had beaten United (remember best defensive team)

Dropped points vs Bournemouth who scored 3 minutes after extra time

Dropped points vs palace after hitting the woodwork 3 times

We drew vs West ham after they have beaten all the top teams.


Be misrerable all you want mate, but i'm not going to beat the team or manager with a stick that is just full of negativity.

At the half way point, who hasn't played those sides? You are citing failures to beat the likes of Bournemouth, Swansea and Palace as successes. West Ham have beaten most of the sides you speak of, but they get a dismissive 'Hit and miss' description, but Everton get an 'Actually brilliant' description.

The 'stick' that I am alleged to be beating the team with is not full of negativity mate, it's full of realism, and has to be used in order to counter the massive delusion that is taking place. People are having to rely on a list of weak excuses in attempt to substantiate their delusions, the reason they need to do this is because the league table fails to substantiate the delusion of 'Actual brilliance'.

Are you really using an injury time equaliser as some kind of excuse, in a game in which we also scored in injury time? Just how biased do you want to be mate?