Everton v Norwich City - EFL Cup - Tuesday 20 Sept, 19.45 KO

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So we just give up and aim for a Europa place? Cup comps are very arbitrary for success.

We have two routes to success each season without MASSIVE investment: the LC or FA Cup.

The PL campaign for us is all about being best of the rest and a pat on the head from the super dooper sky sports generation of journalists and fans.
 

A side is judged by their performance in the premier league far more than the cups.

Signings won't come if we're a respectable eighth but top six and higher is on.

Birmingham City, Swansea and Wigan won domestic cups, and although they were all far too small and with no real financial backing to attract any players anyway, it does illustrate how winning cups is great for us as fans but doesn't always improve the clubs status with players abroad.

If cup success is not accompanied by realistic prospects of challenging for champions league places soon, foreign players simply won't be interested and view us as a middling club who just had a good cup run.

Only a really good season in the prem and a top five or six finish with decent prospects of better ahead will help us next summer.
The only thing foreign players are arsed about mate are English pounds.

If Stoke can attract quality players offering them Mark Hughes and a stadium full of BNP members I'm guessing we can match that for glamour.
 
We said that in Martinez's first season and ended up being very unfortunate not to get top 4. All too often it seems like any successful team is momentum driven, so if we continue beating the teams we should be beating then there's no reason to write us off for top 4.

That said, we probably won't finish there like haha
The competition for top four this season is outrageously tough. Realistically we need to win one of these cups. We are desperate for silverware. We got close last season twice. We need to go at least one step further this season...and after all we should do, given we have a 'better' manager this season.
 

Stekelenburg

Coleman (c)
Williams
Funes Mori
Oviedo

Gueye
Cleverley
Barkley

Deulofeu
Valencia
Lennon

Robles
Kone
Lukaku (if fit - if not put Gibson or Dowell in)
Mirallas
Bolasie
Davies
Holgate

Rested: Baines, Jagielka, Barry.

Injured: Besic, McCarthy (probably Gibson)

Reckon we could see something like that
 
Mori could probably do with a game, maybe Oviedo or Holgate too.

Attack wise Del or Lennon could come in.

Apart from that, don't see him changing much else this early in the season.
 

The only thing foreign players are arsed about mate are English pounds.

If Stoke can attract quality players offering them Mark Hughes and a stadium full of BNP members I'm guessing we can match that for glamour.

With the new sky and bt deals virtually all premier league clubs are, in cash terms, now rich enough to afford most players even if other restrictions put limits on spending.

Stoke (and others) have surprised many with the type and quality of player they've been able to bring in. Although currently struggling badly, they have enjoyed two realtively strong premiership finishes by their standards and together with Europe and cup runs have given the impression of being a club with much better prospects than they've had in a long time.

From being a basement club they have recently looked a club on the up by a sustained improvement in their premiership results with two successive top half finishes and this as much as their cup runs has made them attractive. The cash is crucial but these days teams at the bottom have cash too, its Stoke's better prospects that have helped.

We're starting from a much higher base with all the advantages of a strong history, large supporter base and wealthier backers, we have all Stoke can offer but a lot more too.

Recently however foreign players would have just seen a club who are under performing with very mediocre finishes in the league and obviously on the slide with possibly years of struggle ahead. I wouldn't have blamed them if taking only a cursory look to have even thought Stoke a better prospect.

Moshiri has changed all this and brought the cash, new manager and improved prospects. We're not a City, Utd or Chelsea yet by any means but we have moved up significantly. We have a limited time to match this ambition with a vastly improved league position as, as we have seen this summer cash alone is not enough to attract the type of players who are a step above the likes of Bojan, good player that he can be.
 
We said that in Martinez's first season and ended up being very unfortunate not to get top 4. All too often it seems like any successful team is momentum driven, so if we continue beating the teams we should be beating then there's no reason to write us off for top 4.

That said, we probably won't finish there like haha
Winning becomes a habit.
 
Not convinced we have a strong enough second string in midfield. T-clev is no Gazbaz. McCarthy is injured and Gibbo is usually injured. I think we start with an unchanged team. Kill it off before H/T and bring on Enner, Davies and Lennon.
3-0 final to us.
 
Not convinced we have a strong enough second string in midfield. T-clev is no Gazbaz. McCarthy is injured and Gibbo is usually injured. I think we start with an unchanged team. Kill it off before H/T and bring on Enner, Davies and Lennon.
3-0 final to us.

I think we have to play certain players (like Valencia, Davis and Clev) from the start to see what they're made of, we won't learn much if they come onto the field when we are 3-0 up.
 

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