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Everton v Stoke. Boxing Day at 15.00.

How long did you Selection Boxes used to last?


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I don't want to ship it all at once because it's all we have. I'm just saying, once our aged, passion-less squad has condemned us to Championship football we need to get shut. Garbutt, Alcaraz and Browning would pish the championship.

Just need to reinstate Big Joe as manager. I light-heartedly suggested it just after Moyes broke the news but this time I'm deadly serious. Anyone (within reason) is better than Martinez.

He's had a good run but he's doing nothing. At least we bounced back from bad performances under Moyes. There is absolutely no sign of recovery under martinez, it's like Walker. We batter the world-class Swindon in his first game and then it all goes horribly wrong.
lot of sense here sadly
 
Thanks for your tireless work today, Ross. He really got stuck in today and I appreciate it. Not once did he sh*t out of a challenge or get found standing doing nothing as Stoke's players dispossessed ours. Brilliant today mate, thanks.
 
Is it still too soon to say Martinez looks clueless and hoplelessly out of his depth? Do we have to continue to support this loser all the way to the Championship?
 
Our squad is much better than everyone currently around us.

I still think anything but a too 7 finish is a failure all things considering. I just know this season is really looking like it'll be a failure.

Oh is it?

We are exactly where the team deserves to be. Our squad isnt better than those around us.

Perhaps it would be if they would play like it...but they are completely off it and so no. no this squad is not better than those other teams around it.
 

Signs were there in preseason. The football has been turgid all season. The results now seem to be reflecting that, but worse yet I just don't see the spirit in the team to break out of it.

I dunno what happens from here. Moyes teams had a habit of recovering from slow starts well, but I don't know if a Martinez one will.
Tbf up to the derby we were good going forward, hadn't we averaged 3 goals a game for the first 5 games? that was playing with mcgeady and mirallas out wide. Barkley coming back seems to have hindered us, Bobby is just trying to fit everyone into the side instead of going with the best team.
 

Expectations are being set too high. We're no better than those around us.

they really aren't mate. given the luck we've had from all areas this season, then yes they are. but performance wise and when you look at the standard of the premier league, they really aren't when you look at our squad.

we've been crippled with injuries though, i every single game i have to post i can't remember the last game where 1 player didn't have to go off injured. 3 today!

but the premier league is at it's lowest atm, their is so much averageness, even city are winning games easily without their big players.

the premier league hasn't been this bad for decades. and sadly the FA allows officials to ruin the league as a spectacle week after week.
 
The players won't take a chance as they are terrified of losing the ball.

RM has pressured them that much to keep possession that we don't try anything. They look sh1t scared to try anything sometimes.

We'll still finish around 10th but that is woeful with our squad
 

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