Everton vs Preston - Sat 3rd August - KO 3pm

[bluestevon]

Hahaha

You wonder?

It is, once again, the easiest question to answer.

Actually eggs is right, Dyche throughout his career has trusted young players.

Jarrod last year being the clearest (most recent) example, but at Burnley he did it a lot - Mcneil was starting for him at 19, Keane at 21 played in over half the seasons games and started the next season for Burnley.

Any manager adverse to playing youth more than anything won't be trusting young centre backs.

 

[bluestevon]

Hopefully. But look at Danjuma.

Granted he was a loan, but Dyche doesn’t seem to trust ‘flare’ players.

Not on the evidence so far since he came here anyway

Dyche doesn't trust a player who won't work his socks off for the team

 

[Eggs]

Actually eggs is right, Dyche throughout his career has trusted young players.

Jarrod last year being the clearest (most recent) example, but at Burnley he did it a lot - Mcneil was starting for him at 19, Keane at 21 played in over half the seasons games and started the next season for Burnley.

Any manager adverse to playing youth more than anything won't be trusting young centre backs.

….i just think they have to be good enough.

If Dyche has a very good youngster, he’ll be chuffed. It’s crazy thinking any manager won’t play youngsters because they’re young.

 

[Nymzee]

….i just think they have to be good enough.

If Dyche has a very good youngster, he’ll be chuffed. It’s crazy thinking any manager won’t play youngsters because they’re young.

I think it’s more what if we have a youngster who has potential to be great, but just needs a run, but will just be overlooked for tried & tested even if the tried & tested are bang average.

Don’t think anyone would say Dyche wouldn’t start a 16-year old Rooney.

 

[bluestevon]

….i just think they have to be good enough.

If Dyche has a very good youngster, he’ll be chuffed. It’s crazy thinking any manager won’t play youngsters because they’re young.

It's entirely down to attitude with Dyche, look at the ones he's trusted off the top of my head, Keane, McNeil, Braithwaithe, Garner - all four have absolutely the right type of mentality and work ethics.

Not about age it's about the mental attitude (so mental age in a way)

 

[bluestevon]

I think it’s more what if we have a youngster who has potential to be great, but just needs a run, but will just be overlooked for tried & tested even if the tried & tested are bang average.

Don’t think anyone would say Dyche wouldn’t start a 16-year old Rooney.

If the young player works his backside off in training, listens and acts mature then don't think Dyche would have any issue playing a young player mate, the fact he has done several times with starting CBS shows that

 

[Nymzee]

If the young player works his backside off in training, listens and acts mature then don't think Dyche would have any issue playing a young player mate, the fact he has done several times with starting CBS shows that

...whom?

 

[chippy1722]

How are Preston fans feeling after that

Minutes in the legs for them this week.

 

[Eggs]

If the young player works his backside off in training, listens and acts mature then don't think Dyche would have any issue playing a young player mate, the fact he has done several times with starting CBS shows that

….application is a given but they have to show they are effective at this level.

Pity about Chermiti picking up a serious sounding knock, but it looks like Tim from Villa might be another youngster to get games.

 

[summerisle]

 

[bluestevon]

...whom?

Keane was starting at Burnley at 21, Jarrod started here last year at 21.

Can throw others in, last season he preferred Dobbin over Danjuma, end of season he preferred Chermiti over Beto, Garner at 22 was the mainstay in midfield, McNeil had played over 70 games for Burnley by 21.

 

[bluestevon]

….application is a given but they have to show they are effective at this level.

Pity about Chermiti picking up a serious sounding knock, but it looks like Tim from Villa might be another youngster to get games.

Exactly mate

 

[DualityNSNO]

Actually eggs is right, Dyche throughout his career has trusted young players.

Jarrod last year being the clearest (most recent) example, but at Burnley he did it a lot - Mcneil was starting for him at 19, Keane at 21 played in over half the seasons games and started the next season for Burnley.

Any manager adverse to playing youth more than anything won't be trusting young centre backs.

He had, yes - McNeil in his 1st year played literally 1 minute of first team football, Keane (similar to Branthwaite believe it or not) started by being on the bench for about 10 games. Branners was less but it was a no brainer playing our best CB, and everyone was crying out from Keane being error prone. The excuse was then that he's not Dyche ready or something

Same chance as Chermiti last year for us - about 10 min a month tops, spread over 5 games. Same as any young player we have, who will this year get the same treatment, but it will be said he's "giving youth a chance". This isn't a chance, and the more I hear "he watches them in training" the less it loses credibility, given the fact he also picks Young ahead of just about anyone else. Pre-season when we had 10 youth players fielded last game isn't a chance, it's what you're supposed to do anyway.

As I said in the Dyche thread - make or break for him as our manager this year; he can prove he's more than a stop gap, but the start here is exactly the same as it was for his entire career and nothing has changed as far as approach goes. Biggest club he'll ever manage is us, but at least we're opening the "falling upwards" door for him to become manager of England I guess.

 

[Pejic300]

Set piecing our way to the quadruple (we’re only in 3 competitions)

Don't forget we'll be playing ourselves in the Community Shield next August.

 

[bluestevon]

He had, yes - McNeil in his 1st year played literally 1 minute of first team football, Keane (similar to Branthwaite believe it or not) started by being on the bench for about 10 games. Branners was less but it was a no brainer playing our best CB, and everyone was crying out from Keane being error prone. The excuse was then that he's not Dyche ready or something

Same chance as Chermiti last year for us - about 10 min a month tops, spread over 5 games. Same as any young player we have, who will this year get the same treatment, but it will be said he's "giving youth a chance". This isn't a chance, and the more I hear "he watches them in training" the less it loses credibility, given the fact he also picks Young ahead of just about anyone else. Pre-season when we had 10 youth players fielded last game isn't a chance, it's what you're supposed to do anyway.

As I said in the Dyche thread - make or break for him as our manager this year; he can prove he's more than a stop gap, but the start here is exactly the same as it was for his entire career and nothing has changed as far as approach goes. Biggest club he'll ever manage is us, but at least we're opening the "falling upwards" door for him to become manager of England I guess.

Was that when McNeil first posted at 18?, how many games had he played by 21 mate? Similarly by 22 how many games had Keane played?

The no brainer Braithwaithe decision, sorry remember the vast majority - including all the Dyche doesn't play young players crowd stating he would never drop Keane. He did after about 4 games. Btw pretty much nobody predicted that Braithwaithe wold be quite as good as he was either, it's hindsight - where everyone became an expert after the fact, the vast majority remembered him as his ing a mare of a game before he got loaned, and i doubt 5% watched him at all at PSV - where he took half a season to get starts.

The anti Dyche stuff is frankly bloody boring, criticise him for stuff that is genuine, but the old 'he doesn't trust the youth' shouts just look daft when you actually look at the evidence and it shows that he actually has done with multiple players - when they earn it and show they are ready.