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Everton vs Preston - Sat 3rd August - KO 3pm

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DualityNSNO said:
He had, yes - McNeil in his 1st year played literally 1 minute of first team football, Keane (similar to Branthwaite believe it or not) started by being on the bench for about 10 games. Branners was less but it was a no brainer playing our best CB, and everyone was crying out from Keane being error prone. The excuse was then that he's not Dyche ready or something :lol:

Same chance as Chermiti last year for us - about 10 min a month tops, spread over 5 games. Same as any young player we have, who will this year get the same treatment, but it will be said he's "giving youth a chance". This isn't a chance, and the more I hear "he watches them in training" the less it loses credibility, given the fact he also picks Young ahead of just about anyone else. Pre-season when we had 10 youth players fielded last game isn't a chance, it's what you're supposed to do anyway.

As I said in the Dyche thread - make or break for him as our manager this year; he can prove he's more than a stop gap, but the start here is exactly the same as it was for his entire career and nothing has changed as far as approach goes. Biggest club he'll ever manage is us, but at least we're opening the "falling upwards" door for him to become manager of England I guess.
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As for the limited minutes, now that's a criticism of Dyche that's valid, but not captioned as a 'he doesn't play young players shout', but more generally as 'he is loath to make any subs until very late in games' shout regardless of age.

The refusal to change things around in games is one of the things I dislike most about him.
 
bluestevon said:
As for the limited minutes, now that's a criticism of Dyche that's valid, but not captioned as a 'he doesn't play young players shout', but more generally as 'he is loath to make any subs until very late in games' shout regardless of age.

The refusal to change things around in games is one of the things I dislike most about him.
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He started a 3000 year old Ashley Young today in a pointless friendly mate - that's evidence for what you said is boring criticism. He will 100% genuinely start any "experienced" player instead of a younger one, even if it's out of position. This is tenfold as true for a PL game, as evident by his entire career thus far. The year before we had Simms et al, we started with Danjuma up front :lol: It was also the case for both Keane and McNeil fwiw, which is exactly why I'm saying this with certainty. Again, 5 minutes a month isn't a "chance" by any stretch of the imagination, neither is putting the player in when we have literally no other options. Sometimes you gotta do the slightly risky thing and hope it's rewarded.

Valid point about no change/no plan B - we'll set up in 1 way and hope it works, when it doesn't, like for like subs in the 80th min will do the trick. We've tried to change things during the game once or twice in his tenure here so far, which is shocking.

As for Branthwaite - people knew he's a good player before he even left for PSV, doubt anyone remembered him for his literal last game which was bad. He also had a few very good ones and scored (was it vs Chelsea?) too, you could tell there's a player in there, but we started for 4-5 games with Keane, who is a proven net negative.
 

DualityNSNO said:
He started a 3000 year old Ashley Young today in a pointless friendly mate - that's evidence for what you said is boring criticism. He will 100% genuinely start any "experienced" player instead of a younger one, even if it's out of position. This is tenfold as true for a PL game, as evident by his entire career thus far. The year before we had Simms et al, we started with Danjuma up front :lol: It was also the case for both Keane and McNeil fwiw, which is exactly why I'm saying this with certainty. Again, 5 minutes a month isn't a "chance" by any stretch of the imagination, neither is putting the player in when we have literally no other options. Sometimes you gotta do the slightly risky thing and hope it's rewarded.

Valid point about no change/no plan B - we'll set up in 1 way and hope it works, when it doesn't, like for like subs in the 80th min will do the trick. We've tried to change things during the game once or twice in his tenure here so far, which is shocking.

As for Branthwaite - people knew he's a good player before he even left for PSV, doubt anyone remembered him for his literal last game which was bad. He also had a few very good ones and scored (was it vs Chelsea?) too, you could tell there's a player in there, but we started for 4-5 games with Keane, who is a proven net negative.
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While I admit his overreliance on older players, you always hear these managers cite "small margins"...this is why, I think, he goes with them; experience/age gains you those small margins by its very nature. It's a bit of cowardice but we don't have a football clubs history and staff to worry about. Not excusing him but I can get the reluctance...just wish he'd drop it now and then.
 
Really enjoyed the game today, played some joined up football at times and looked obviously loads better than against Coventry. Tarkowski makes such a difference at the back for us. Really impressed with Iroegbunam and also Armstrong when he came on looked assured and had some quality touches. Great following as always UTFT 💙
 
DualityNSNO said:
He started a 3000 year old Ashley Young today in a pointless friendly mate - that's evidence for what you said is boring criticism. He will 100% genuinely start any "experienced" player instead of a younger one, even if it's out of position. This is tenfold as true for a PL game, as evident by his entire career thus far. The year before we had Simms et al, we started with Danjuma up front :lol: It was also the case for both Keane and McNeil fwiw, which is exactly why I'm saying this with certainty. Again, 5 minutes a month isn't a "chance" by any stretch of the imagination, neither is putting the player in when we have literally no other options. Sometimes you gotta do the slightly risky thing and hope it's rewarded.

Valid point about no change/no plan B - we'll set up in 1 way and hope it works, when it doesn't, like for like subs in the 80th min will do the trick. We've tried to change things during the game once or twice in his tenure here so far, which is shocking.

As for Branthwaite - people knew he's a good player before he even left for PSV, doubt anyone remembered him for his literal last game which was bad. He also had a few very good ones and scored (was it vs Chelsea?) too, you could tell there's a player in there, but we started for 4-5 games with Keane, who is a proven net negative.
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No arguments he has a huge soft spot for young which is a bad weakness as frankly lady season he was out worst player who say played over 500 minutes - and by a country mile so too.

At Burnley both Keane and McNeil did displace veteran players though mate, and can hardly say because they were as good as say Braithwaithe was either as both clearly nowhere near the lad.

As for young, the options we had last season were Patterson who he obviously hates - not buying it's because he's young though but just a positional liability who maybe just doesn't listen.

Should he be giving young lads more if s go in pre season - it's arguable, will we honestly be starting the season with Dixon at rb, no, and did many of us know who the lad even was a few weeks ago?

It's more important to me to get who will be starting up to speed, for an older player that means getting them minutes - hence young, should he be the RB - nope but that's s different conversation, it won't be Dixon because unless I'm wrong he just isn't ready
 

Gwladys St. Glory said:
While I admit his overreliance on older players, you always hear these managers cite "small margins"...this is why, I think, he goes with them; experience/age gains you those small margins by its very nature. It's a bit of cowardice but we don't have a football clubs history and staff to worry about. Not excusing him but I can get the reluctance...just wish he'd drop it now and then.
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I mean reliance on good experienced players, sure, but ancient Young/Coleman is hilarious, they're literally costing us.

I know he hates Patterson but even with that (and his apparent... lack of obedience or something???) - 'Patto' was our best defender statistically. Margins make it even less reasonable to play the old players.
 

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