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Everton Youth Teams Thread

There's always something to lose if you're asking players to step up before they're ready. In fact, if you already know they're not ready there's a lot more to lose than there is to gain. It's a pretty young side now as it is, I think there were 5 or 6 18 year olds in the side the other night, there's no need to go overboard with the changes just for the sake of it.
Different perspectives I guess. You see a young side, which is fair enough in comparison to recent years, there were 4 18 year old starters, Welch, Price, Mills and Onyango who’s 19 soon, we’ve certainly had younger sides. I see players who started like Quirk and Anderson , plus Hughes and Kristensen on the bench , who likely won’t be here next season, maybe Astley and John will be loaned out. From my perspective the end of season games are the best time to introduce younger players . Players like Metcalfe and Roman Dixon/Quintyne did ok in their brief appearances at U23s last season , Okoronkwo too this season, I wouldn’t expect them to take the PL2 by storm , but for me a model of moving younger players up early if they are ready is the way to go.
 
Different perspectives I guess. You see a young side, which is fair enough in comparison to recent years, there were 4 18 year old starters, Welch, Price, Mills and Onyango who’s 19 soon, we’ve certainly had younger sides. I see players who started like Quirk and Anderson , plus Hughes and Kristensen on the bench , who likely won’t be here next season, maybe Astley and John will be loaned out. From my perspective the end of season games are the best time to introduce younger players . Players like Metcalfe and Roman Dixon/Quintyne did ok in their brief appearances at U23s last season , Okoronkwo too this season, I wouldn’t expect them to take the PL2 by storm , but for me a model of moving younger players up early if they are ready is the way to go.
The bold bit is the key. In the post I replied to you said there was an argument they weren't ready but you'd pick them anyway, which is what I was disagreeing with. If they're ready then obviously it's a totally different thing.
 
The bold bit is the key. In the post I replied to you said there was an argument they weren't ready but you'd pick them anyway, which is what I was disagreeing with. If they're ready then obviously it's a totally different thing.

the likes of okoronko and metcalfe have already shown they are.
with some others you wont know until you try.
 
the likes of okoronko and metcalfe have already shown they are.
with some others you wont know until you try.
I even bore myself saying this so often but that simply isn't how it works. The coaches are employed to make informed decisions about whether somebody is ready to step up, it should never be a case of just throwing people in to see whether they sink or swim if you're doing it properly. Also one or two performances where you do OK doesn't mean you're ready to step up a level permanently, as evidenced by 95% of academy graduates at all clubs who've made a couple of steady PL appearances and then disappeared down the leagues.
 
I even bore myself saying this so often but that simply isn't how it works. The coaches are employed to make informed decisions about whether somebody is ready to step up, it should never be a case of just throwing people in to see whether they sink or swim if you're doing it properly. Also one or two performances where you do OK doesn't mean you're ready to step up a level permanently, as evidenced by 95% of academy graduates at all clubs who've made a couple of steady PL appearances and then disappeared down the leagues.

we're not calling for all the u18s to be bumped up to the u23s here and chuck the u23s out, its 2 or 3, 2 of which have shown they are ready to me and the other (dixon) has been injured quite a bit but the coaches clearly think he has a good chance of stepping up.
 

we're not calling for all the u18s to be bumped up to the u23s here and chuck the u23s out, its 2 or 3, 2 of which have shown they are ready to me and the other (dixon) has been injured quite a bit but the coaches clearly think he has a good chance of stepping up.
I'm not really sure what the difference between your point of view and mine is here? I responded to a post which said that even if players weren't ready we should put them up a level now because there's nothing to lose by doing it. I disagree with that notion so I said so. As i've already said, if the players are ready to go up (properly ready, not just 'a coach said they were highly rated 12 months ago and i'm excited to see them' ready) then that's not an issue, obviously.
 
I'm not really sure what the difference between your point of view and mine is here? I responded to a post which said that even if players weren't ready we should put them up a level now because there's nothing to lose by doing it. I disagree with that notion so I said so. As i've already said, if the players are ready to go up (properly ready, not just 'a coach said they were highly rated 12 months ago and i'm excited to see them' ready) then that's not an issue, obviously.

i took it from your post you didn't think anyone was ready, i disagreed and now is the time to let them to prove it.
sorry if i took you up wrong
 
I'm not really sure what the difference between your point of view and mine is here? I responded to a post which said that even if players weren't ready we should put them up a level now because there's nothing to lose by doing it. I disagree with that notion so I said so. As i've already said, if the players are ready to go up (properly ready, not just 'a coach said they were highly rated 12 months ago and i'm excited to see them' ready) then that's not an issue, obviously.
My post was “At 17 there’s an argument that both him and Metcalfe are not ready , same for our two u18 young full backs . Fair enough , but now is the time to prepare them for next season and let’s see if they are good enough, we’ve nothing to lose .”
Maybe it’s in the interpretation of that . I was attempting to be balanced and recognise others “ argument” that they may not be ready, not mine. The nothing to lose was a reference to my earlier post with the recent win virtually leaving us mid table , avoiding a relegation battle.
It seems like we are all violently agreeing !
 
i took it from your post you didn't think anyone was ready, i disagreed and now is the time to let them to prove it.
sorry if i took you up wrong

My post was “At 17 there’s an argument that both him and Metcalfe are not ready , same for our two u18 young full backs . Fair enough , but now is the time to prepare them for next season and let’s see if they are good enough, we’ve nothing to lose .”
Maybe it’s in the interpretation of that . I was attempting to be balanced and recognise others “ argument” that they may not be ready, not mine. The nothing to lose was a reference to my earlier post with the recent win virtually leaving us mid table , avoiding a relegation battle.
It seems like we are all violently agreeing !
Yeah, just to clarify, i assumed @blueloon meant 'they might not be ready but...' whereas it seems he meant 'some people might not think they're ready but I do'. I'm not disagreeing with the opinion of the players' ability, I was just saying that there's no point moving players up a group if they're not ready because it can massively set them back. It's something people do advocate on here quite a lot and they tend to use the 'what's the harm' argument with it, so I wrongly thought this was another example and pointed out what the harm is.
 

Yeah, just to clarify, i assumed @blueloon meant 'they might not be ready but...' whereas it seems he meant 'some people might not think they're ready but I do'. I'm not disagreeing with the opinion of the players' ability, I was just saying that there's no point moving players up a group if they're not ready because it can massively set them back. It's something people do advocate on here quite a lot and they tend to use the 'what's the harm' argument with it, so I wrongly thought this was another example and pointed out what the harm is.
I thought my post was clear , but obviously not ?‍♂️
 
I even bore myself saying this so often but that simply isn't how it works. The coaches are employed to make informed decisions about whether somebody is ready to step up, it should never be a case of just throwing people in to see whether they sink or swim if you're doing it properly. Also one or two performances where you do OK doesn't mean you're ready to step up a level permanently, as evidenced by 95% of academy graduates at all clubs who've made a couple of steady PL appearances and then disappeared down the leagues.

There I'd a lot of criticism of the academy, and Unsworth that is perfectly valid. I'm not sure since Wauldron left we are coherent and aggressive enough with players. It's not the most innovative coaching etc.

But the idea that there is a plethora of players chomping at the bit, and only being held back by Unsworth is not true.

I do think, in one season in particular I do think we played older players and were too conservative. I also think we have kept players on for too long. More ruthlessness was needed, which to a degree we have started to see.

As you say though, teams getting hammered every week doesnt help moral, and doesnt do much for development. I've been involved with teams where it happens, and outside of very specific examples (like Barcelona dont really look at results at youth level) its just demoralising.

As you've said, we have had a lot of lads playing a lot for the 23s. Mills, Welch, Price & Whittaker have been mainstays. Butterfield, Campbell, Mallon have also all played a fair few games. Cannon, Dobbin, Onyango are also just a year older and are main stays. It is a young team, even by PL standards. We have also not paid 1m plus fees for players like many teams have (Chelsea, Liverpool, City).

I think the academy have done ok this season. Could it be better? Yes. Is it woeful, no.
 
Yesterday Sheff Utd beat Peterborough 1-0 meaning for Everton u23s to go through to the next stage, they need Peterborough v Burnley 1pm on Friday to end level


TABLE - Top 2 go through

Sheff Utd 10 points from 6 games - GD Minus 1
Everton 9 points from 6 games - GD Minus 1
Peterborough 7 points from 5 games - GD Plus 2
Burnley 6 points from 5 games - GD Zero
Everton u23s are knocked out the premier league cup, as Peterborough just beat Burnley 5-2
 
Its the u18s Derby tomorrow Morning (11am ko) as Everton in 5th on 22 points are 6 points behind 2nd placed Liverpool u18s, Liverpool have won the last 6 Derby's, or 10 of last 12, our last win was 4 years ago when we won 3-1 with all goals 1st half in a half and a game we were actually pretty bad, but won, Liverpool are the top scorers but have conceded more than us, The game is NOT on LFCTV or Everton baring a last min change

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While Monday Everton u23s in 7th place playing 2nd bottom Chelsea u23s Monday 7pm ko, Chelsea have conceded 3 a game their last 3 away games, while Everton usually score 2 v Chelsea ta home - Chelsea have not confirmed yet if they are showing this game
 

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