Tommy Chong
Player Valuation: £60m
Is this the same kind of 'truth' that be inclined to believe something like 9/11 was an inside job?You talk about “ truth “
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Farhad Moshiri
- Thread starter GrandOldTeam
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Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
It’s fine, he can just tell them that he will have a new job in 5 years so any debt during this time is fine.
Same way you think us making money off the stadium 5 years after we breach psr means we are financially sound.
tommye
Player Valuation: £100m
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
We're talking two completely different things here.
1. Breaching PSR - in the 12 years since PSR was introduced, not one club has been charged with a breach. All the UEFA precedents set on their version of FFP have been small fines, squad reductions etc.
Then conveniently.... the Goverment push ahead with an independent regulation bill and with that Everton, Nottingham Forest, Leicester are all magically found guilty in the space of months, with Chelsea, City & Spurs accused of similar improprieties.
My own belief is that in the short term the owners thought at worst we would get a fine and a telling off, being deduced 10 points was never a feasible punishment and again, you're levelling a critique at the ownership for essentially not having a crystal ball and seeing how Richard Masters would look to screw the club over in order to try prevent the Government from getting involved in the governance of the sport.
2. The 2nd point is as COYBL25 highlighted - administration. Now administration would never be on the cards had Putin not invaded Ukraine. Usmanov would have continued pumping in money and our sponsors which were increasing on top of the bigger revenue from BMD meant no situation would have arisen were we would be going cap in hand to a group of criminals like 777.
Even if you ignore the sanctions to Usmanov, Moshiri's asset wealth is predominantly in USM. If I may refer you back to the Panorama investigation into the money Moshiri used to purchase Everton - If the BBC are privy to the obvious links, then you can be certain that the British Government and British banking system will be keeping a very close eye on Moshiri's transactions, he'll not be permitted (in my belief) to take out hundreds of millions of pounds from USM to keep the lights on at Everton. This is why administration is a real threat. You cant therefore blame Moshiri for not "funding" us when he most likely cannot access the sort of funds required hence the loans from 777.
Farhad Nespresso
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
Or clubs hadn’t breached prior to that but our loans and reckless spending finally caught up to us. It’s not all a conspiracy. We’ve had years of reckless spending and not increasing revenue meaning we now need loans every month to pay the bills.
Us saying we will have income when the stadium is built doesn’t keep the lights on now.
They could have paid off all the outside loans before having assets frozen, but they didn’t because they weren’t pumping money in as you seem to suggest.
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
How do you increase revenues without winning trophies and competing regularly in the Champions League ? Increasing season tickets and putting on a better spread at the match only brings in so much additional revenue, truth be told it wouldn't pay for a new top class signings annual salary.
Leicester won a league title, FA Cup, competed in the Champions League and finished 5th twice. They still breached PSR.
If Villa keep investing to grow and not sell their best players they will breach PSR at some stage, as will Newcastle.
I have criticised Moshiri for some of his decision making, however I have zero problem in the club breaching these rules. They're anti competitive in nature and the only clubs who wont ever breach them are the Red cartel (Man Utd, Liverpool & Arsenal) and the clubs happy to not invest and milk the TV money in midtable (Mike Ashleys Newcastle, Crystal Palace, Brentford etc.)
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Oink oink squeal
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Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
Like Newcastle have done, finish in top 4 and increase shirt sponsorship for example. Not to the same level as the “Sky 6” but they have increased it to a middle ground between the Sky 6 and everyone else (which has always been around £40m+ for Sky 6 and £10m- for everyone else). It’s what we should have done when we finished 4th and certainly what Leicester should have done.
Like I imagine Villa will do.
Or we could just keep rolling DBB out to say how she has got us a new record level sponsorship which was about 1p more than the previous one.
1p lol
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
Newcastle's news sponsors are Saudi based companies ran by their owners. They're doing exactly what we did/were looking to do with USM. Mid table clubs like us cannot attract big sponsors without consistent Champions League exposure - to get consistent champions league exposure you have to spend money on good players, good players that typically cost a lot of money and earn big salaries. PSR prevents clubs without regular champions league exposure from spending big money and paying big salaries (certainly the new reformed rules that are coming in).
Why some football fans of the other 14 clubs fail to comprehend this chicken and egg PSR scam baffles me to be truthful.
The over riding issue I find with many fans is that their real angst is with how modern top flight football operates. As thats something out of their control, they look for a common bogeyman target. Its easy to blame Moshiri for "having a go" and breaching PSR than it is to actually force the elite who govern the sport to actually do away with a system that is quite clearly rigged to prevent any newcomers from gaining a seat at the table.
The solution to not breach PSR is to appoint a manager that can perform miracles on a small budget, sell your best players every summer and spend half the profit to keep ticking over, never truly threatening to upset the applecart.
Ironically we did exactly that under Bill Kenwright and fans flown planes demanding more lol
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
We all get the psr con. Stop acting as if you have some greater understanding/knowledge than anyone else. It’s pathetic.
What we tried to do with USM. But waited several years to do so. That’s Moshiri’s fault for waiting so long.
You were desperate for kenwright to go weren’t you? Went on matches etc against him. He was the bogeyman target for you. Because he was the owner of the club. Ultimately, the state a club is in is down the owners. Moshiri isn’t a bogeyman because he has been randomly selected. Every decision rests with him.
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
If you truly understood the con, you would never criticise Moshiri (or any future owner of the club) for breaching a corrupt set of rules designed to keep us "in our place". There are different areas of his ownership tenure that you can critique but showing a level of ambition that we haven't witnessed in a custodian since John Moores shouldn't be one of them.
I was certainly in favour of Bill Kenwright leaving the club. The man had no ambition, he was the type of owner that Richard Masters loves, someone who would always respect PSR and know their place in the pyramid.
I will always respect someone who has a go at achieving something, even if they fail. Thats Moshiri in my eyes. Supporting his ambition then turning on him when it goes belly up is indicative of our current society - they like to see you climb, but love to see you fall.