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Congratulations on completely misunderstanding 2 consecutive posts and interpreting them both wrongly but we are in a thread titled "Fight Back".
I never mentioned Scottish folk heroes or poultry anywhere.
You are in a thread entitled 'Fight Back' and make a really vague post about footballers stealing a living. I didn't think that you had a subtle, nuanced take from that. I'm sorry that I assumed you had no point to make beyond the usual knuckle-dragger, 'they must be spinning round like a whirling dervish, otherwise they are worthless'. In future I will learn to guess you have a far more salient point.

Talking of Braveheart as you are, I neither know nor care what your opinion on Ferguson is but without using "desire, spirit and fight" can you give me 5 words to describe him, Peter Reid and Tim Cahill?
So, you don't care what my opinion is, but you also want my opinion? You aren't very good with words, are you?
 
You are in a thread entitled 'Fight Back' and make a really vague post about footballers stealing a living. I didn't think that you had a subtle, nuanced take from that. I'm sorry that I assumed you had no point to make beyond the usual knuckle-dragger, 'they must be spinning round like a whirling dervish, otherwise they are worthless'. In future I will learn to guess you have a far more salient point.
Okey-Dokey.
So, you don't care what my opinion is, but you also want my opinion?
No. It was a rhetorical question
You aren't very good with words, are you?
Your write.
 
hello buddies and what a beautiful day it is i was wondering if we have calmed a little since this tantrum thread on saturday and if so are willing to act like big boys and girls now?? free cookie as a treat if so!!
 
Where is the fight in these players?

We have seen our manager and players homes attacked, our womans club stand set on fire, the media treating us like crap.

When are we going to stop being the victim and get out on the pitch and shut everyone up. We may not have a top 4 team but christ break your bones and heart for 90 minutes.

Fight Fire with Fire
Not only that, but an Everton fan got bullied at primary school once. Why doesn't Allen break a random players leg to make amends? Won't someone think of the children?
 

Where is the fight in these players?

We have seen our manager and players homes attacked, our womans club stand set on fire, the media treating us like crap.

When are we going to stop being the victim and get out on the pitch and shut everyone up. We may not have a top 4 team but christ break your bones and heart for 90 minutes.

Fight Fire with Fire
Truth be told, it is better to fight fire with water :coffee:
 
You seem to be suggesting that Kendall came in, waved a magic wand, barely spent and got things right straight away. In HK's first season in charge we finished 8th.

We spent around £1.67M in the 81/82 market. Comparing that market to todays is ridiculous. Our spending was in excess of many sides who finished comfortably above us and the RS won the league spending £2M so it's not like Kendall's Everton were not spending to the same degree as our immediate rivals in that market. A few teams spent less and did much better.

You can repeat that for his second season. A finish of 7th place and although the spending dropped to less than 500K it was the same story for many rivals who did better. Again, including those from over the park who won the title and Man Utd who finished 3rd spending less.

That season also included a 0-5 drubbing in the derby at Goodison which was the epitome of a rudderless ship lacking talent and leadership. Again, second season, not first.

HK's 3rd season got off to a terrible start and he was on the verge of being sacked. 6 wins from 21 and a board were being vilified for a lack of ambition and sentimentality around a former player as manager. Another flat defeat at Anfield. Fans were staying away and graffiti was on the training ground walls. That sounds a bit worse than the current malaise.

That is not the story of a manager coming in and fixing things for buttons. That's a manager coming in and taking 2-3 seasons to get it right while being financially backed to the same level, and sometimes more, than most of his rivals. He brought in a player here, a player there and eventually changed the mentality at the club.

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“When you inherit players who are under contract you are stuck with them. He was trying to balance things. It does take time for a manager to make the changes he wants and it was no different for Howard.”
“He did not find the right blend in midfield at first, which is why he played himself. It was later on, after he signed Kevin Sheedy, Peter Reid and Trevor Steven that things really came together.”

Kevin Ratcliffe

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Names aside that's pretty much the same spot Ancelotti is in with this current squad. If Ancelotti doesn't have a pot after 3 full seasons and the team is still looking lost then the comparisons to Kendall's reinvention might start being relevant.

Superb post.

Amid all the bluster about Everton on the pitch they may have some real anger issues or they are simply internet warriors who would not act like this in public.

To reply to the OP, as well. We do need to press more but I believe that is more a tactical decision than the players not showing fight.
 
This is Jose Mourinho talking about Spurs, this could just as well as us and confirms to me that players just aren't as bothered about winning trophies anymore. It is very hard it seems to motivate millionaires.

“They played with a lot of desire that I can call it also professionalism, because for me professionalism starts exactly in the attitude. To be a professional you must have attitude every day and in every minute of every game. “Then more talent, less talent makes a difference between players but what is never negotiable is attitude and they beat us on attitude.”

This sport is dying on its arse for real.
 

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