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Financial Fair Play investigation

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catcherintherye said:
You said they could only go to court unless both sides consent. That's not how law works.

But look, it seems like we both agree. Clubs can take the league to court if they feel they have cause, and neither of us seem convinced the club would have cause. But theoretically they could.
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No they can't.

We are signed up to rules that mean we go to a three-man commission. Followed by another commission.
 
Damo_1878 said:
In this case that is the case. Arbitration firstly. As that is specified in the Premier League rulebook. A legal contract.

They cannot go to other jurisdictions either. Just the English and Wales legal system.

So no CAS for you son 🤣
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So you didnt answer where the sovereign court for the UK currently is?

But sure, we may go to the equivalent British legal court, I'm honestly not 100% on that, and it is unimportant in this discussion. For the sake of this discussion, what is important is a club can seek legal redress if they wish, as I told you about an hour ago.
 
Damo_1878 said:
I disagree on the tone

It was all me me me me me me me with him. Yet again.
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That's Bill for you.

But I dont know why you want Everton punished to get shut of him and DBB and co.

Bill and that lot can never return.

I would have thought that you might be similar to a lot of us who look at this allegation against Everton and see it as unfair given the very real pressures of dealing with a pandemic, the withdrawal of investment because of the Ukraine War and the ongoing costs of building a stadium, but you seem to be encouraging those going after Everton to put us into the Championship.

That's the way it appears to me at least.
 
Reading everything everyone is saying what would be the point Decoctions they could apply say next season
 
gwladysnight said:
No they can't.

We are signed up to rules that mean we go to a three-man commission. Followed by another commission.
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But the two arent mutually exclusive.

We could go to court alongside this. Lots of teams are already threatening this (and not just EFC).

That rulebook means F/A once you get outside of the kangaroo court of the PL mate. There is countless precedent of national laws, overuling local business agreements.
 

catcherintherye said:
So you didnt answer where the sovereign court for the UK currently is?

But sure, we may go to the equivalent British legal court, I'm honestly not 100% on that, and it is unimportant in this discussion. For the sake of this discussion, what is important is a club can seek legal redress if they wish, as I told you about an hour ago.
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If the Premier League failed to follow the rulebook or the independent commission failed to rule in accordance with the criteria in the rulebook (were compromised) and after appeal then we could look for arbitration as defined in the rulebook

Ultimately if arbitration failed and damages were sought it could go to the High Court.

But there would need to be CAUSE. Or basically it would be an enormous waste of money and it would look extremely bad for the losing party in terms of reputation

Your idea of jumping straight to court was and is utter nonsense

Your idea of going to CAS also nonsense.
 
catcherintherye said:
I mean it's interesting but ultimately irrelevant. I don't know when they knew that BDO would resign, it may well have been after those comments. The issue here isnt who they have doing their accounts, it's the boards competence to run the club/business.

I dont actually think the uncrystalised losses matter. We are seemingly in breach with them. But in general, businesses regularly do write downs. Its perfectly normal.

The club should be able to detail those losses though. I agree with that. This stuff is not tough.
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What are you talking about.

With all the write-downs and crystallized COVID losses we still massively missed the P&S cut-off. Our entire defence is based on theoretical losses from the depressed transfer market. We are claiming for theoretical losses from an inability to sell players, plus wages, plus amortisation costs.

Basically the Premier league have called us out. The auditors have bailed because they were presumably not prepared to quantify our losses.

Even now we can't put a figure on it.
 

catcherintherye said:
So you didnt answer where the sovereign court for the UK currently is?

But sure, we may go to the equivalent British legal court, I'm honestly not 100% on that, and it is unimportant in this discussion. For the sake of this discussion, what is important is a club can seek legal redress if they wish, as I told you about an hour ago.
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Legal redress for what?
 
davek said:
That's Bill for you.

But I dont know why you want Everton punished to get shut of him and DBB and co.

Bill and that lot can never return.

I would have thought that you might be similar to a lot of us who look at this allegation against Everton and see it as unfair given the very real pressures of dealing with a pandemic, the withdrawal of investment because of the Ukraine War and the ongoing costs of building a stadium, but you seem to be encouraging those going after Everton to put us into the Championship.

That's the way it appears to me at least.
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I was waiting on the accounts before saying "IT'S UNFAIR"

I wanted evidence.

I'm still not ready to claim its unfair. I'm gathering evidence. Before judging.

What I do know is Bill Kenwright and Denise Barrett Baxendale are a disgrace. They are to blame.

I have masses of evidence of that!
 
Damo_1878 said:
If the Premier League failed to follow the rulebook or the independent commission failed to rule in accordance with the criteria in the rulebook (were compromised) and after appeal then we could look for arbitration as defined in the rulebook

Ultimately if arbitration failed and damages were sought it could go to the High Court.

But there would need to be CAUSE. Or basically it would be an enormous waste of money and it would look extremely bad for the losing party in terms of reputation

Your idea of jumping straight to court was and is utter nonsense

Your idea of going to CAS also nonsense.
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The most obvious thing is that we are 1/20th of the Premier league.
 
Damo_1878 said:
If the Premier League failed to follow the rulebook or the independent commission failed to rule in accordance with the criteria in the rulebook (were compromised) and after appeal then we could look for arbitration as defined in the rulebook

Ultimately if arbitration failed and damages were sought it could go to the High Court.

But there would need to be CAUSE. Or basically it would be an enormous waste of money and it would look extremely bad for the losing party in terms of reputation

Your idea of jumping straight to court was and is utter nonsense

Your idea of going to CAS also nonsense.
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That wasnt my idea though, and that's where you didnt listen, you just spouted off.

I havent once said Everton can or should so. I have just pointed out to you they could.

What was nonsense, was that a premier league rulebook could prevent that. It cant. As you have subsequently stated.
 

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