Financial Fair Play investigation

[Damo_1878]

What are the chances of a deduction this season?

None. Everton have opportunity to appeal which would essentially start the process/investigation all over again

It would likely impact next season if at all

 

[SydneyFan]

None. Everton have opportunity to appeal which would essentially start the process/investigation all over again

It would likely impact next season if at all

Thank you sir. Good news. I've just read online actually that a sky sports reporter said very much the same as what you said.

 

[Goat]

He talked as it it was past tense the "half a billion

You can only lose something you've already received it

You cannot lose something you are yet to receive @BullensRoad

You're just no longer going to receive it

Why hasn't "best in the business" Denise Barrett-Baxendale replaced that revenue ?

If she's so good?

So in your eyes the club hasnt lost 500m in revenue?

 

[Tom Hughes]

Also worth noting his work outside academia is not subject to the same critical peer review systems or written with the same motives.

That's not to say he doesn't know what he's talking about, but ultimately in terms of outcome he is guessing and should be open about that. The death squad on here making a deity of him shows a desire to have their own arguments confirmed more than anything else.

"Their own arguments confirmed...." EVERYONE knows we're an absolute mess. No one requires confirmation!

 

[Tom Hughes]

Everton are guilty of the PL allegations, they'll be deducted points, and he's taken 'late night calls' from Everton marking his card for him.

He would be perfectly entitled to say he thinks we will be deducted points based on what he's learnt, if that's his opinion. That's his job. However, he's only been asked about the referral process and what our punishment might be if found "guilty". All straight out of the PL handbook answers, with reference to what's happened in the EFL too. No additional drama ! Who needs drama when we've been run the way we have?

 

[Walken]

"Their own arguments confirmed...." EVERYONE knows we're an absolute mess. No one requires confirmation!

Wouldn't disagree with any of that.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Can you mix your metaphors a bit more thoroughly please?

You still haven't shown inaccuracy of anything he's actually said....

You don't rate his expertise or competence but you're scared he can influence the proceedings? That makes no sense.

Fundamentally, you know that the club is a complete basketcase and cannot disagree with anything he's said.

 

[davek]

You still haven't shown inaccuracy of anything he's actually said....

You don't rate his expertise or competence but you're scared he can influence the proceedings? That makes no sense.

Fundamentally, you know that the club is a complete basketcase and cannot disagree with anything he's said.

Hold on, you want me to put up and shut up and show you that he's inaccurate in what he's said about Everton's finances...when I agree with what he's said about Everton's finances?

Can you put your thinking cap on please.

He would be perfectly entitled to say he thinks we will be deducted points based on what he's learnt, if that's his opinion. That's his job. However, he's only been asked about the referral process and what our punishment might be if found "guilty". All straight out of the PL handbook answers, with reference to what's happened in the EFL too. No additional drama ! Who needs drama when we've been run the way we have?

If his job was just light entertainer on a football podcast with his mate Kevin Day then there'd be no problem with him saying what he thinks will happen with Everton's referral. Opinions are like arses and every one has one.

But - as you have alluded to on may occasions in order to appeal to his 'authority' - Maguire also works for Liverpool University as an academic and an accountant so it's legitimate to call into question his professionalism when he prejudges the outcome of an ongoing commission by assuming Everton's guilt, making predictions on a likely and appropriate level of punishment that will follow in the wake of said commission's conclusions, and literally broadcasting the content of private messages between himself and an officer/officers of Everton FC...and does so by framing them as harassment from the club.

You dont want to address that though, so I can only conclude that you believe Maguire is at liberty to say just about anything without being critiqued for it.

Overall, I'd identify you, along with a lot of others, as being unwilling and / or unable to hold a more nuanced approach to the matter that involves condemnation for the board and owner but support for Everton in their case brought by the PL. Someone like Maguire - who also cant distinguish that - will always get a free pass from you.

 

[Damo_1878]

So in your eyes the club hasnt lost 500m in revenue?

No. It has lost £500m in potential future revenue. That Denise Barrett Baxendale has failed to replace

It only lost around £40 million in revenue last year. Because Baxendale is incompetent and failed to replace it

 

[Goat]

No. It has lost £500m in potential future revenue. That Denise Barrett Baxendale has failed to replace

It only lost around £40 million in revenue last year. Because Baxendale is incompetent and failed to replace it

So you admit that it will cost us 500m in revenue.

Thanks for your honesty, Damo.

 

[Damo_1878]

So you admit that it will cost us 500m in revenue.

Thanks for your honesty, Damo.

No. Because "revenue" is past tense

You have to put "Future" in front of it to say £500 m

The club hasn't lost £500 m revenue in either the 2021/2022 accounts or the 2022/2023 accounts

 

[Damo_1878]

So you admit that it will cost us 500m in revenue.

Thanks for your honesty, Damo.

PS. I noted you did not dispute that Denise Barrett Baxendale is incompetent

 

[Goat]

PS. I noted you did not dispute that Denise Barrett Baxendale is incompetent

She is CEO of a business that is failing on every single level.

Why would I dispute that statement?

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

Hold on, you want me to put up and shut up and show you that he's inaccurate in what he's said about Everton's finances...when I agree with what he's said about Everton's finances?

Can you put your thinking cap on please.



If his job was just light entertainer on a football podcast with his mate Kevin Day then there'd be no problem with him saying what he thinks will happen with Everton's referral. Opinions are like arses and every one has one.

But - as you have alluded to on may occasions in order to appeal to his 'authority' - Maguire also works for Liverpool University as an academic and an accountant so it's legitimate to call into question his professionalism when he prejudges the outcome of an ongoing commission by assuming Everton's guilt, making predictions on a likely and appropriate level of punishment that will follow in the wake of said commission's conclusions, and literally broadcasting the content of private messages between himself and an officer/officers of Everton FC...and does so by framing them as harassment from the club.

You dont want to address that though, so I can only conclude that you believe Maguire is at liberty to say just about anything without being critiqued for it.

Overall, I'd identify you, along with a lot of others, as being unwilling and / or unable to hold a more nuanced approach to the matter that involves condemnation for the board and owner but support for Everton in their case brought by the PL. Someone like Maguire - who also cant distinguish that - will always get a free pass from you.

So, someone who is better informed and qualified than us holds an opinion?

that’s it?

But because it’s not a convenient you choose to come out with some total hooey about him.

There’s a valid response. “I don’t agree with him” and that valid response deserves some kind of explanation why you think that.
Your response is to baselessly smear a good man rather than just say you don’t agree with him.
why? Because its the Dave K show and facts and opinions don’t matter compared to the circus.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Hold on, you want me to put up and shut up and show you that he's inaccurate in what he's said about Everton's finances...when I agree with what he's said about Everton's finances?

Can you put your thinking cap on please.



If his job was just light entertainer on a football podcast with his mate Kevin Day then there'd be no problem with him saying what he thinks will happen with Everton's referral. Opinions are like arses and every one has one.

But - as you have alluded to on may occasions in order to appeal to his 'authority' - Maguire also works for Liverpool University as an academic and an accountant so it's legitimate to call into question his professionalism when he prejudges the outcome of an ongoing commission by assuming Everton's guilt, making predictions on a likely and appropriate level of punishment that will follow in the wake of said commission's conclusions, and literally broadcasting the content of private messages between himself and an officer/officers of Everton FC...and does so by framing them as harassment from the club.

You dont want to address that though, so I can only conclude that you believe Maguire is at liberty to say just about anything without being critiqued for it.

Overall, I'd identify you, along with a lot of others, as being unwilling and / or unable to hold a more nuanced approach to the matter that involves condemnation for the board and owner but support for Everton in their case brought by the PL. Someone like Maguire - who also cant distinguish that - will always get a free pass from you.

You haven’t really disproved any of his comments instead ,I said at the outset, you have merely engaged in a prolonged ad hominem attack which illustrates a lack of any coherent objection to any of his statements.
Instead you have been deliberately confrontational and attempted to create an entirely artificial divide between fellow supporters, straight out of playbook of our own board in fact.
Also once again nothing we say or discuss on here will have any influence on the inquiry, to believe otherwise is naive or just more devilry to foment an argument which serves no purpose other than your own imagined self importance.