Financial Fair Play investigation

[davek]

Prentice talking cack as per

Whoever has made that statement it seems very confident. And rightly so.

We'll hear the outcome of this next year at the earliest, and the commission will probably come back with a fine.

Even a transfer embargo wouldn't sink us next season. IIRC you can still sign loan deals and get free transfers in.

 

[ToffeeTim]

In every other industry if you make losses year after year for .any years then it goes out of business and finishes being a going concern. Which was the premis of the whole ffp to begin with. Allegedly.

Generally yes of course. But football is not like normal business

 

[Alan Whittle]

Non super league six club in FFP referral.
I for one am shocked.

 

[davek]

we have to be given a fine and no transfer ban

That'll likely happen.

 

[neil999]

Wouldn't be surprised if this to strengthen their case against city... Oh we investigate everyone honest

 

[ChrisPW75]

Given COVID, surley they had to provide specific guidance as to what levels of ffp breach were temporarily allowed. Otherwise how do you enforce or then charge any club for breaches?

If there has been no guidance issued how the feck can a club be charged?

 

[davek]

Yes we broke one of the same rules. City broke numerous rules.

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...-financial-rules-premier-league-b2276582.html

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Man City’s alleged breaches of Premier League rules​

1. In respect of each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those seasons that required provision by a member club to the Premier League, in the utmost good faith, of accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club’s financial position, in particular with respect to its revenue (including sponsorship revenue), its related parties and its operating costs, namely:

(a) for Season 2009/10, Premier League Rules B.13, C.71, C.72, C.75 (amended to C.79 from 10 September 2009 for the remainder of Season 2009/10) and C.80;

(b) for Season 2010/11, Premier League Rules B.13, C.78, C.79, C.86 and C.87;

(c) for Season 2011/12, Premier League Rules B.13, E.3, 4, E.11 and E.12;

(d) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11 and E.12;

(e) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rules 15, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.49;

(f) for Season 2014/15, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50;

(g) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50;

(h) for Season 2016/17, Premier League Rules16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51;

(i) for Season 2017/18, Premier League Rules B.16, 3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51.

2. In respect of:

(a) each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2012/13 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of manager remuneration in its relevant contracts with its manager, namely:

(1) for Seasons 2009/10 to 2011/12 inclusive, Premier League Rules Q.7 and Q.8; and

(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules P.7 and P.8;

(b) each of Seasons 2010/11 to 2015/16 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of player remuneration in its relevant contracts with its players, namely:

(1) for Seasons 2010/11 and 2011/12, Premier League Rules K.12 and K.20;

(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.20;

(3) for Seasons 2013/14 and 2014/15, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.19; and

(4) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules T.13 and T.20.

3. In respect of each of Seasons 2013/14 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations, namely:

(a) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rule B.14.6

(b) for Seasons 2014/15 to 2017/18 inclusive, Premier League Rule B.15.6.

4. In respect of each of the Seasons 2015/16 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons on Profitability and Sustainability, namely:

(a) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules E.52 to E.60; and

(b) for Seasons 2016/17 and 2017/18, Premier League Rules E.53 to E.60.

5. In respect of the period from December 2018 to date, the Premier League Rules applicable in the relevant Seasons requiring a member club to cooperate with, and assist, the Premier League in its investigations, including by providing documents and information to the Premier League in the utmost good faith, namely:

(a) for Season 2018/19, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;

(b) for Season 2019/20, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;

(c) for Season 2020/21, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
"

And Everton will have an extended charge sheet too.

 

[blueblood]

We’re about £65 million up since January with the Kean and Gordon sales, plus the wage bill was significantly sliced last summer, so this years accounts should be in a far healthier position.

 

[The Binman]

A Premier League statement confirmed that Everton had been charged under Rule W.82.1, the same rule that Manchester City is alleged to have breached.

“In accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1, the Premier League confirms that it has today referred an alleged breach of the League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules by Everton Football Club to a Commission under Premier League Rule W.3.4,” it said. “The assessment period for which it is alleged that the Club is in breach is the period ending Season 2021/22.”

“The proceedings before the Commission will, in accordance with Premier League Rule W.82, be confidential and heard in private. Under Premier League Rule W.82.2, the Commission’s final award will be published on the Premier League’s website. The League will be making no further comment until that time.”

I expect relegation a foregone conclusion now the prem league has seen fit to do this…

Still on the upside we’ve spent a fair amount on buying the dross we have in preparation for life in the championship, talk about forward planning - well done Everton board, and bill kenwright, awesome work. Ffs.

 

[Ruairi77]

Everton Football Club is disappointed to hear of the Premier League’s decision to refer an allegation of a breach of Profit & Sustainability regulations to an independent commission for review.

The Club strongly contests the allegation of non-compliance and together with its independent team of experts is entirely confident that it remains compliant with all financial rules and regulations.

Everton is prepared to robustly defend its position to the commission. The Club has, over several years, provided information to the Premier League in an open and transparent manner and has consciously chosen to act with the utmost good faith at all times.

The Club will not be making any further comment at this time.

It's a small thing but to me it's indicative of how things are run at everton.

and together with its independent team of experts is entirely confident that it remains compliant with all financial rules and regulations.

should really be "and together with an" not "it's".
An independent team cant be the possession of the club.

again, tiny... but any half normal business would pick up on that before putting it out.

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

That'll likely happen.

If found guilty, there is a real possibility of a sporting penalty. Most likely a points deduction.
the there is the issue of other teams. If a club gets relegated when the FFP rules have been broken, they could take legal action for losses… see the Sheffield united West Ham case.
there’s a lot to be worried about.

 

[nsno-chris]

What a marvellously run club we have

Up the toffees

 

[d34noj]

If found guilty, there is a real possibility of a sporting penalty. Most likely a points deduction.
the there is the issue of other teams. If a club gets relegated when the FFP rules have been broken, they could take legal action for losses… see the Sheffield united West Ham case.
there’s a lot to be worried about.

5% less time in the wind tunnel.

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

5% less time in the wind tunnel.

 

[davek]

Possible outcomes

Points deduction: no chance IMO. The PL wont want their matches devalued. That's a non-starter.

Transfer embargo: unlikely, but we can sign free transfers and do loan deals. Dyche could could still work well enough with that.

Probable outcomes

Fine

Charges dismissed