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First xi against Tottenham XI who is better?

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ijjysmith said:
He hit it in anger.
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Howard vs Lloris - Lloris
Coleman vs Walker - Walker
Jagielka vs Gallas - Jagielka
Distin vs Caulker - Equal
Baines vs Vertonghen - Baines
Mirallas vs Lennon - Mirallas
Osman vs Parker - Osman
Gibson vs Dembele - Dembele
Pienaar vs Bale - Pienaar with Baines, Bale without
Fellaini vs Adebayor - Fellaini
Jelavic vs Defoe - Defoe

tottenham are flat track bullies they beat rubbish cant beat anyone good unless they catch them cold. there best xi isnt that good to be brutally honest considering theyve spent nearly 400m[/QUOTE]
 
Howard vs Lloris - Lloris
Coleman vs Walker - Walker
Jagielka vs Gallas - Jags
Distin vs Caulker - Distin
Baines vs Vertonghen - Baines
Mirallas vs Lennon - Mirallas
Gibson vs Parker - Gibson
Osman vs Dembele - Dembele
Pienaar vs Bale - Bale
Fellaini vs Adebayor - Fellaini
Jelavic vs Defoe - Draw
 

BlondeArtist said:
Howard vs Lloris -
Coleman vs Walker -
Jagielka vs Gallas -
Distin vs Caulker -
Baines vs Vertonghen -
Mirallas vs Lennon -
Gibson vs Parker -
Osman vs Dembele -
Pienaar vs Bale -
Fellaini vs Adebayor -
Jelavic vs Defoe -

tottenham are flat track bullies they beat rubbish cant beat anyone good unless they catch them cold. there best xi isnt that good to be brutally honest considering theyve spent nearly 400m
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That's a painfully biased way of looking at things. You've put Vertonghen at left back despite him really being a top class CB, and have omitted Sandro who has been one of their very best players this year. Of our players who might get in their team, two are Mirallas and Gibson who, given their recent injury records, make this very much hypothetical.

It would be something like:

Lloris

Walker Jags Vertonghen Baines

Mirallas Sandro/Gibson Dembele Bale

Fellaini

Jelavic/Defoe
 
everton said:
That's a painfully biased way of looking at things. You've put Vertonghen at left back despite him really being a top class CB, and have omitted Sandro who has been one of their very best players this year. Of our players who might get in their team, two are Mirallas and Gibson who, given their recent injury records, make this very much hypothetical.

It would be something like:

Lloris

Walker Jags Vertonghen Baines

Mirallas Sandro/Gibson Dembele Bale

Fellaini

Jelavic/Defoe
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You're right. A thread discussing a fictional Spurs and Everton starting eleven would normally be anything but hypothetical.
 

Lloris

Walker - Jagielka - Vertonghen - Baines

Gibson - Sandro

Mirallas ----- Fellaini ------- Bale

Defoe/Jela (either)
 
Royal Blue Jersey said:
I love Baines, Baines is brilliant, but I think Pienaar just shades him. Pienaar is more important to the team.
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Absolutely right, its not a heresy to express any opinion other than Baines and Fellaini walk on water. Just because motd drool over them every week doesn't mean that fans who watch every game agree with them. Baines is a brilliant attacking left back, one of the best if not the best in the world, but he benefits from our team being built around him. Pienaar covers his every run (and gives him the one twos back) whilst Distin often covers two positions defensively to make up when Baines can't get back. Defensively I still think he is at times suspect and that has always been the difference between him and Ashley Cole. Watch Cole against Barcelona, defensively perfect, Baines against Liverpool in the semi was getting schooled by Stewart Downing of all people. In the real big games Baines has yet to develop big game mentality (although there's signs that its coming).

Don't be fooled by Pienaar's age or price tag, he's an absolutely outstanding player and blew away Mata and Hazard at Goodison. He always plays consistently well and is positionally perfect both in attack and defense. Him and Osman make our team tick. Baines wa sinjured at the back end of last seaosn yet even with Distin or Neville behind him Pienaar still dominated games and kept the good football. When Pienaar went to Spurs or was cup tied last season Baines looked shaky defensively and less of a forward threat. Baines and Pienaar complement each other but in terms of who is more important for how the team plays then I think its Pienaar.

There's no need for any focus on Fellaini, his performance against Leeds and in any derby match over the last 5 years should be enough to show that he is nowhere near being our best player. He is merely the beneficiary of amazing work from Osman, Pienaar and Baines. In the semi 'world class' Fellaini couldn't get near Lucas and Charlie Adam. Osman schooled Liverpool's midfield three at Goodison earlier this season no problem. That's why Osman is playing centremid for us now and why Fellaini doesn't play there for us or Belgium anymore. Maybe Moyes and the Belgium manager have seen something that no one on here seems to have noticed.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Absolutely right, its not a heresy to express any opinion other than Baines and Fellaini walk on water. Just because motd drool over them every week doesn't mean that fans who watch every game agree with them. Baines is a brilliant attacking left back, one of the best if not the best in the world, but he benefits from our team being built around him. Pienaar covers his every run (and gives him the one twos back) whilst Distin often covers two positions defensively to make up when Baines can't get back. Defensively I still think he is at times suspect and that has always been the difference between him and Ashley Cole. Watch Cole against Barcelona, defensively perfect, Baines against Liverpool in the semi was getting schooled by Stewart Downing of all people. In the real big games Baines has yet to develop big game mentality (although there's signs that its coming).

Don't be fooled by Pienaar's age or price tag, he's an absolutely outstanding player and blew away Mata and Hazard at Goodison. He always plays consistently well and is positionally perfect both in attack and defense. Him and Osman make our team tick. Baines wa sinjured at the back end of last seaosn yet even with Distin or Neville behind him Pienaar still dominated games and kept the good football. When Pienaar went to Spurs or was cup tied last season Baines looked shaky defensively and less of a forward threat. Baines and Pienaar complement each other but in terms of who is more important for how the team plays then I think its Pienaar.

There's no need for any focus on Fellaini, his performance against Leeds and in any derby match over the last 5 years should be enough to show that he is nowhere near being our best player. He is merely the beneficiary of amazing work from Osman, Pienaar and Baines. In the semi 'world class' Fellaini couldn't get near Lucas and Charlie Adam. Osman schooled Liverpool's midfield three at Goodison earlier this season no problem. That's why Osman is playing centremid for us now and why Fellaini doesn't play there for us or Belgium anymore. Maybe Moyes and the Belgium manager have seen something that no one on here seems to have noticed.
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Too many contradictions here. Pienaar is great, and he makes us a much better side dont get me wrong...but unfortunately his end product is nowhere near someone like Mata. Osman also played the semi didnt he? Might have been watching a different game but am pretty sure Charlie Adam didn't school Felli... I think you have forgotten some of the performances Felli has put in for Everton at DM. To be honest criticisng two of the best players we have had in years in felli and baines doesn't make much sense to me.
 

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