2021/22 Frank Lampard

[catcherintherye]

Agree,the old Ball statement rings true with Mosh, only Everton never touched him.

Just viewing him at games, he doesn't seem to get the passion or particularly feel it, think his idea of how footy support should be is exec boxes in large souless grounds eating prawn sandwiches etc. His emotional reaction always looks forced as he's basically mimicking the people around him. Not a footy man in the slightest

I wrote something on the main page at the end of the season on this. Benitez was an unpopular choice, but I cant say he was a bad one if we omit hindsight.

1) An experienced coach
2) A coach who had shown pragmatism in the past
3) Someone who had followed a similar path to Ancelotti.

Essentially he was a continuity candidate, at a time when things were relatively plain sailing.

As you say, I dont think he ever really got Everton. Hes appointed a load of managers who havent really understood Everton either. I think Lampard does.

I've always said, Liverpool as a place is a goldfish bowl, which from a footballing perspective. Enormous pressure and constant scrutiny. Once you go outside of it, it's a very different environment. For some players/managers that heavily weighs them down, for others it brings the best out in them.

 

[allezlesbleus]

I wrote something on the main page at the end of the season on this. Benitez was an unpopular choice, but I cant say he was a bad one if we omit hindsight.

1) An experienced coach
2) A coach who had shown pragmatism in the past
3) Someone who had followed a similar path to Ancelotti.

Essentially he was a continuity candidate, at a time when things were relatively plain sailing.

As you say, I dont think he ever really got Everton. Hes appointed a load of managers who havent really understood Everton either. I think Lampard does.

I've always said, Liverpool as a place is a goldfish bowl, which from a footballing perspective. Enormous pressure and constant scrutiny. Once you go outside of it, it's a very different environment. For some players/managers that heavily weighs them down, for others it brings the best out in them.

Saying Benitez was not what we needed is absolutely not hindsight, mate.
Old-school, set in his ways, defensive, best years behind him on the way down - all obvious at the time and remained true throughout his time in charge. His experience definitely led to some deft substitutions that changed games for the better in the first couple of months but it is not just about hindsight to say he was a bad fit for us and that there was always a good chance he would be so.

 

[Billy Dean]

Exactly mate, that's what I think he thinks an atmosphere should be, not a footy man,doubt he's even that interested really, think Usmanov was always the driving force

He's definitely a very big football fan. But you're right not a "football man" - there's a difference between those 2 terms

 

[TheBigIguana]

Winning a match is despite his tactics. Losing one is down to them though.

Kinda rough gig that.

I personally feel during the run in he got a lot wrong. But football is dumb and sometimes you win anyway because your goalkeeper makes a save with his face. If he actually puts us in a position to control games and win by more than dumb luck with goalkeeping heroics tossed in I'm more than ready to give him credit. But he didn't do that after February.

 

[maccavennie]

I personally feel during the run in he got a lot wrong. But football is dumb and sometimes you win anyway because your goalkeeper makes a save with his face. If he actually puts us in a position to control games and win by more than dumb luck with goalkeeping heroics tossed in I'm more than ready to give him credit. But he didn't do that after February.

Unreal waffle that.

He set us up NOT TO LOSE, TO BE DIFFICULT TO BEAT and it WORKED as we AVOIDED RELEGATION

You chat as if we are some kind of boss footballing side. WE ARE CRAP FFS, can barely string 3 passes together at the best of times and had been battered left right and centre for 14 games when he came in.

He done what he needed to do, keep us up and the fact that you keep chatting crap about it not being pleasing on the eye makes you so far detached from the reality of Everton staring into the abyss that i honestly don't know why you bother.

Edit oh and guess what, goalkeepers get paid to MAKE SAVES, whether it hits them in the face, the arse, the hand or leg that is their job.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Unreal waffle that.

He set us up NOT TO LOSE, TO BE DIFFICULT TO BEAT and it WORKED as we AVOIDED RELEGATION

You chat as if we are some kind of boss footballing side. WE ARE CRAP FFS, can barely string 3 passes together at the best of times and had been battered left right and centre for 14 games when he came in.

He done what he needed to do, keep us up and the fact that you keep chatting crap about it not being pleasing on the eye makes you so far detached from the reality of Everton staring into the abyss that i honestly don't know why you bother.

Edit oh and guess what, goalkeepers get paid to MAKE SAVES, whether it hits them in the face, the arse, the hand or leg that is their job.

At some point this becomes his fault no? I mean I'm not expecting him to be Conte but it didn't take Conte a season and a half to at least start resembling what he wants them to be.

And for what feels like the billionth time I'm not on about it being tedious to watch (although it obviously is) I'm on about it not being a sustainable way of winning. At some point getting outshot, outpossessed, outchanced and frankly just straight up outplayed stops producing even the 42 point pace that he had us on and that we're apparently happy about.

Finally yes, keepers making saves is their job, good managers understand what the word save means and realize that their job is to prevent the danger from happening in the first place.

 

[ToffeeTim]

At some point this becomes his fault no? I mean I'm not expecting him to be Conte but it didn't take Conte a season and a half to at least start resembling what he wants them to be.

And for what feels like the billionth time I'm not on about it being tedious to watch (although it obviously is) I'm on about it not being a sustainable way of winning. At some point getting outshot, outpossessed, outchanced and frankly just straight up outplayed stops producing even the 42 point pace that he had us on and that we're apparently happy about.

Finally yes, keepers making saves is their job, good managers understand what the word save means and realize that their job is to prevent the danger from happening in the first place.

It only becomes Lampards fault if he brings in lots of his own new players and we are still crap

We wont get better until we get rid of lots of our squad. They've failed under several managers.

 

[nonstripdzebra]

I personally feel during the run in he got a lot wrong. But football is dumb and sometimes you win anyway because your goalkeeper makes a save with his face. If he actually puts us in a position to control games and win by more than dumb luck with goalkeeping heroics tossed in I'm more than ready to give him credit. But he didn't do that after February.

I think peoples perception on Lampard are in part fed by a stark comparison (and mistake) in Benitez, and then the energy and even humility in avoiding relegation. But I second that patches over a lot of glaring issues. For starters when he took the job we had a 9% chance going down, that became more than 55% before absurd heroics. Emotion on the touchline and composure in pressers are a welcomed change, its far from a confident prerequisite of assurance longterm to what really is paramount in the job which is tactical nuance. In that regard he's still a huge question mark.

I have said this from the beginning if his prominence helps in recruiting, the difference or his stint could be worth it regardless. But entering into this season I think he is one of the most unproven and least desirable coaches in the division, at least in the bottom half. And when the links are Harry Winks with massive exoduses seeming on the horizon the recipe is not one I find all that promising. I hope to be wrong, and his confidence could be proven justified. This summer's recruitment and next season he has an exceptional amount to prove. I hope he does.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think peoples perception on Lampard are in part fed a stark comparison (and mistake) in Rafael, and then the energy in avoiding relegation. But I second that patches over a lot of glaring issues. For starters when he took the job we had a 9% chance going down, that became more than 55% before absurd heroics. Emotion on the touchline and composure in pressers are a welcomed change, its far from a confident prerequisite of assurance longterm to what really is paramount in the job which is tactical nuance. In that regard he's still a huge question mark.

I have said this from the beginning if his prominence helps in recruiting the difference or his stint could be worth it regardless. But entering into this season I think he is one is one of the most unproven and least desirable coaches in the division, at least in the bottom half. And when the links are Harry Winks with massive exoduses seeming on the horizon the recipe is not one I find all that promising.

One site had us higher than 55% going into the Chelsea game iirc. Winning that game saved us and anyone saying we didn't have a healthy slice of luck on that day is deluded, sorry to say.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I think peoples perception on Lampard are in part fed a stark comparison (and mistake) in Rafael, and then the energy in avoiding relegation. But I second that patches over a lot of glaring issues. For starters when he took the job we had a 9% chance going down, that became more than 55% before absurd heroics. Emotion on the touchline and composure in pressers are a welcomed change, its far from a confident prerequisite of assurance longterm to what really is paramount in the job which is tactical nuance. In that regard he's still a huge question mark.

I have said this from the beginning if his prominence helps in recruiting the difference or his stint could be worth it regardless. But entering into this season I think he is one is one of the most unproven and least desirable coaches in the division, at least in the bottom half. And when the links are Harry Winks with massive exoduses seeming on the horizon the recipe is not one I find all that promising.

Why would a mass exodus of players from this squad be a negative

 

[TheBigIguana]

It only becomes Lampards fault if he brings in lots of his own new players and we are still crap

We wont get better until we get rid of lots of our squad. They've failed under several managers.

Personally don't love that. It is going to take a few years to overhaul the squad. If he can't get more out of it now he might not have it.

 

[DL100]

At some point this becomes his fault no? I mean I'm not expecting him to be Conte but it didn't take Conte a season and a half to at least start resembling what he wants them to be.

And for what feels like the billionth time I'm not on about it being tedious to watch (although it obviously is) I'm on about it not being a sustainable way of winning. At some point getting outshot, outpossessed, outchanced and frankly just straight up outplayed stops producing even the 42 point pace that he had us on and that we're apparently happy about.

Finally yes, keepers making saves is their job, good managers understand what the word save means and realize that their job is to prevent the danger from happening in the first place.

Conte has Kane & Son to bang in 40 goals a season and a top 10 starting 11. We have Richarlison and DCL which let’s face it aren’t half the players of those two.

Depleted squad, split fan base, came in with 2 days of the TW left, moral down and zero wins for weeks. Lampard came in to a nightmare. Conte came into a top 6 side.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Personally don't love that. It is going to take a few years to overhaul the squad. If he can't get more out of it now he might not have it.

The players aren't good enough. We have moved some on at the end of contracts but we need to focus on sales now. It should be number 1 priority.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Conte has Kane & Son to bang in 40 goals a season and a top 10 starting 11. We have Richarlison and DCL which let’s face it aren’t half the players of those two.

Depleted squad, split fan base, came in with 2 days of the TW left, moral down and zero wins for weeks. Lampard came in to a nightmare. Conte came into a top 6 side.

I'm not expecting us to be that good. It's really a low bar, start to implement a system and style of play that is moderately successful. After a month he realized he couldn't do it and turned into an Allardyce (but worse) clone.

I knew mentioning Conte would get people going "but they're so much better" without seeing that a. they were crap before he got there and b. it's more about the process and the growth than being as good as they ended up being late in the season.

 

[Cameron Manning]

I am undecided. He has certainly United a large part of the fan base and deserves credit for that. He has sensibly surrounded himself by a large experienced back room team. On paper he has a lot of good characteristics to be a successful coach. This is make or break for him. He is working under tough conditions. He ticked the first box by Keeping us up and adapted by compromising on his football principles to do that. Let’s see what happens this season. The reality is that mid table and a cup run would be a good return

I think his football principles would have got us relegated, the home games with the Everton fans united to get behind the team and Lampard in that order kept us up, he got four points from the away games.

I’m not against him, want him to succeed but not convinced he has what it takes to become a good manager especially with the present squad and not a lot of money to change it dramatically which is needed, so it’s a very hard job for the best of managers and Frank is a relative novice so it won’t be easy.