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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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TheBigIguana said:
He's not been, and you're saying that because you don't see what's happening.
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How many times has he conceded the ball in areas where Everton were completely exposed, which lead to goal scoring opportunities in just three months? I know the criteria for you is that he's not doucoure. I thought he was a pivotal player at Everton during his prime but whether it's deterioration in form or being tasked to perform a role beyond his capacity he's been mediocre since the return.
 
Curtis said:
How many times has he conceded the ball in areas where Everton were completely exposed, which lead to goal scoring opportunities in just three months? I know the criteria for you is that he's not doucoure. I thought he was a pivotal player at Everton during his prime but whether it's deterioration in form or being tasked to perform a role beyond his capacity he's been mediocre since the return.
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He's lost the ball too much but he's lost the ball because we play a system that asks him to play out without a proper set of options. This is also quite literally the only weak point to his game. It's a point a proper manager could fix while allowing him to continue to so all the things that he's top class at doing. And make no mistakes he's been top class at everything that he's always done. The midfield is exposed in games again because the manager is bad tactically.

This is just how I see it. You can drop another player in but Garner is still not going to have options (he might play sideways instead of forcing it and losing it) and he's still going to be exposed (but definitely worse at fixing the problem). The midfield issues are a management problem first.
 
The system doesn't suit our midfield players, to be sure. Gana can't be the loan holding player, he needs Onana next to him otherwise it will be difficult to watch. I still think we have some very talented players that Frank should be getting more out of while he is here. Hopefully the board stick with him however as I shudder to think of what Martinez would do to this squad.
 
TheBigIguana said:
He's lost the ball too much but he's lost the ball because we play a system that asks him to play out without a proper set of options. This is also quite literally the only weak point to his game. It's a point a proper manager could fix while allowing him to continue to so all the things that he's top class at doing. And make no mistakes he's been top class at everything that he's always done. The midfield is exposed in games again because the manager is bad tactically.

This is just how I see it. You can drop another player in but Garner is still not going to have options (he might play sideways instead of forcing it and losing it) and he's still going to be exposed (but definitely worse at fixing the problem). The midfield issues are a management problem first.
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How can this be the case when we’re allowed teams to have 25 shots a game and stroll through the midfield unchallenged? I mean you used it as a stick to beat Tarkowski with so why not Gana?
 

Ron manager said:
I agree but the issue is the world is full of identikit coaches of which Frank appears to be one. Bum (what a great name) is talking about a coach that doesn't exist in our pay grade. In which case does revisiting the managerial merry go round to recruit what will almost certainly be another identikit coach really improve matters?
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If you trade in a coach who gets less than the sum of the parts for one who gets at least the sum of the parts, then yes, it makes a difference.
 
JLW said:
If we appointed say Howe Bielsa or anyone for that matter when we appointed Lampard and we were in the same position now players/performance/points wise would you want them fired??
If yes and we appoint a new manager who is having similar failings as we are now after 12 months would you sack them as well?
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I'd sack the guy who's appointing all the crap managers first.
 
MikeH72 said:
How can this be the case when we’re allowed teams to have 25 shots a game and stroll through the midfield unchallenged? I mean you used it as a stick to beat Tarkowski with so why not Gana?
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Because Gana is still doing a lot and the other midfielders (not totally their fault) are nowhere to be found and the CBs (somewhat their fault although a proper manager would try to fix it) retreat toward our box entirely too quickly. The result is an ocean of space that Gana still kind of covers! But not as well as he otherwise might if the tactics didn't stink.
 
Curtis said:
I think gana has obviously declined through age but Frank is doing him a disservice by trying utilize him as a sitting dm that dictates play. Even when he was at his peak proficiency being on the ball and making passes were his weakest aspects as a player. In my opinion he should tidy up and recycle the ball to a mid who can pass the ball like he did in the past. I actually think garner should be playing with either onana or gana as a box to box in the kante mold and garner serve as the anchor.
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It was always a concern after being on holiday in France for 3 years.

I cant imagine he will be fit and ready to fight after the World Cup either.
 

Eggsyblueskin said:
There is a difference between being stable while winning trophies and being stable whilst winning nothing.
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And it's amazing how many change-averse Evertonians were happy to pooter along with Moyes, guaranteed to win nothing and assured of Premier League survival. This is why our standards are so low. They were happy to be a sort of untainted Utopian club of Corinthians. Winning was something only the corrupt indulged in. No, for these Evertonians, purity was to be found in being "the best of the rest", whilst loftily proclaiming some sort of tradition-incurred superiority.

Frankly, that existence was pointless. Moshiri's reign has been disastrous, but it did, for a while, engender hope and may yet end in a brand new stadium. For all of the hard-working, incremental fastidiousness of the Moyes years, they were every bit as unsustainable as the wild Mosh era - except his came with a glimmer of possibility, while we all knew the man in the cardigan was fighting insurmountable odds externally and even within himself. He was never in a million years, despite all the hard yards he traveled, going to win us a pot. By the end, even he seemed to know it.
 
Drico said:
And it's amazing how many change-averse Evertonians were happy to pooter along with Moyes, guaranteed to win nothing and assured of Premier League survival. This is why our standards are so low. They were happy to be a sort of untainted Utopian club of Corinthians. Winning was something only the corrupt indulged in. No, for these Evertonians, purity was to be found in being "the best of the rest", whilst loftily proclaiming some sort of tradition-incurred superiority.

Frankly, that existence was pointless. Moshiri's reign has been disastrous, but it did, for a while, engender hope and may yet end in a brand new stadium. For all of the hard-working, incremental fastidiousness of the Moyes years, they were every bit as unsustainable as the wild Mosh era - except his came with a glimmer of possibility, while we all knew the man in the cardigan was fighting insurmountable odds externally and even within himself. He was never in a million years, despite all the hard yards he traveled, going to win us a pot. By the end, even he seemed to know it.
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We went from a big club under beforming to a small club punching above its weight
 

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