2022/23 Frank Lampard

[ForeverBlue92]

Every day you are on here talking about benitez. He left a year ago.
Every
Single
Day
Benitez ?

Nope someone else always happens to bring Benitez up and I have to respond explaining why their post makes little to no sense.

If I ask you a question about Brighton and you respond does that make you obsessed about Brighton ?

Think man.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

You cant keep blaming Benitez for Lampards shortcomings.

Frankel is a big boy at some point he's got to answer to his 3rd worst record of any EFC manager statistic.

Benitez left 12 months ago and spent £1.7m.

To put it into perspective - Koeman sold Lukaku + Stones and wasted £150 millions yet Alladyce took over the rubble left behind and took us to 8th.

I amn’t blaming Benitez for this season - the board are to blame for that, as they were with the position Benitez was in.

My expectations for Benitez and Lampard are pretty much the same, given the squad and position we’re in. Its a massive rebuild, one of the poorest squads in the division, with less money than most, if not all, other teams spend. I went into last season thinking we’d do well to stay up, results would be hard to come by, didn’t see how we were going to score or create and the same this season.

Beinitez isolated the big players and undermined his position to the rest of the squad with his “break them to make them” approach, which I thought at the time had a high possibility of backfiring on him….and it did. He broke the fragile morale of the team, there was no quality to fall back on and they went into a tailspin. That’s why he had to go.

We’ve got as poor a team as I can remember in 40 years, in as strong a premier league as I can remember - I’m not really surprised Lampard has a crap win record, it would be miraculous if he didn’t. So calling for Lampard to answer for his record, is again, more about your unrealistic expectations for the season.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I amn’t blaming Benitez for this season - the board are to blame for that, as they were with the position Benitez was in.

My expectations for Benitez and Lampard are pretty much the same, given the squad and position we’re in. Its a massive rebuild, one of the poorest squads in the division, with less money than most, if not all, other teams spend. I went into last season thinking we’d do well to stay up, results would be hard to come by, didn’t see how we were going to score or create and the same this season.

Beinitez isolated the big players and undermined his position to the rest of the squad with his “break them to make them” approach, which I thought at the time had a high possibility of backfiring on him….and it did. He broke the fragile morale of the team, there was no quality to fall back on and they went into a tailspin. That’s why he had to go.

We’ve got as poor a team as I can remember in 40 years, in as strong a premier league as I can remember - I’m not really surprised Lampard has a crap win record, it would be miraculous if he didn’t. So calling for Lampard to answer for his record, is again, more about your unrealistic expectations for the season.

Well Doucoure didn't look a happy camper at the Etihad. End of the day the players need to behave for the manager.

 

[davek]

Nah not for me. That would have been fine if we'd picked up more points in other winnable games, but we've put ourselves in a position where home draws against midtable sides just aren't going to be enough. We've already played 2 of the current bottom 3 at home (and taken 1 point), we can't keep waiting for easier games to come because the simple fact is we're going to run out of road at some point.

Talking about home games against a side 10th in the table as if they're unwinnable is a very strange turn of events. And people used to say Moyes had lowered expectations.

Brighton are very very good football team. They're way better than the dross around them in midtable.

If we play with determination and patience we can get a point or even three out of this if the GP crowd reads the script correctly.

Honestly, there has to be a HUGE change in perception of just what it is this Everton team can do in 90 minutes of football. They are withoiut a shadow of a doubt the worst we've had in the PL era. I think some people see how much has been wasted on players and assume we must have enough left in the team even after that massive wasted spend to see off teams like Brighton at home. But we dont. The table doesn't lie. We are a basement PL football team and our players would struggle to get in any other PL starting line up.

This is now our reality. ^^^^^

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Simms is 21 now and has had plenty of first team football in L1/Champ.

It's time to see if he can make the step up. Certainly not one for the future anymore.

Whether giving him that test now, is the right time for Everton is another question.

Never understood why Simms went out on loan as we have continued to be set up and play as if we have a target man up top . The only player than can come near to replicate a fit Dominic went off to Sunderland. Don't accept, the one of those things Dom with injury, we all know he is prone to the table...
Maupay was brought to offer something different in games, off the shoulder player... So letting Simms go was a poor decision.

 

[allen]

I amn’t blaming Benitez for this season - the board are to blame for that, as they were with the position Benitez was in.

My expectations for Benitez and Lampard are pretty much the same, given the squad and position we’re in. Its a massive rebuild, one of the poorest squads in the division, with less money than most, if not all, other teams spend. I went into last season thinking we’d do well to stay up, results would be hard to come by, didn’t see how we were going to score or create and the same this season.

Beinitez isolated the big players and undermined his position to the rest of the squad with his “break them to make them” approach, which I thought at the time had a high possibility of backfiring on him….and it did. He broke the fragile morale of the team, there was no quality to fall back on and they went into a tailspin. That’s why he had to go.

We’ve got as poor a team as I can remember in 40 years, in as strong a premier league as I can remember - I’m not really surprised Lampard has a crap win record, it would be miraculous if he didn’t. So calling for Lampard to answer for his record, is again, more about your unrealistic expectations for the season.

The key difference between Lampard and Benitez is that Lampard's appointment wasn't the most divisive in the history of Everton Football Club.

That's not Benitez's fault, but that's the long and short of it - and why Lampard will be shown more patience in the same position.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

The key difference between Lampard and Benitez is that Lampard's appointment wasn't the most divisive in the history of Everton Football Club.

That's not Benitez's fault, but that's the long and short of it - and why Lampard will be shown more patience in the same position.

It was divisive but once it was done it was done. He lost any support with his approach to change, his attitude and that he had us heading towards an iceberg that’s hold sink us. Of Lampard was presiding over the chaos in the squad and mass player discontent/Losing the squad, together with his results, I’ve no doubt we’d all want him gone 100%, same as Benitez.

 

[Lanolin]

Brighton are very very good football team. They're way better than the dross around them in midtable.

If we play with determination and patience we can get a point or even three out of this if the GP crowd reads the script correctly.

Honestly, there has to be a HUGE change in perception of just what it is this Everton team can do in 90 minutes of football. They are withoiut a shadow of a doubt the worst we've had in the PL era. I think some people see how much has been wasted on players and assume we must have enough left in the team even after that massive wasted spend to see off teams like Brighton at home. But we dont. The table doesn't lie. We are a basement PL football team and our players would struggle to get in any other PL starting line up.

This is now our reality. ^^^^^

No, there's no shift. I don't expect us to swat teams like Brighton aside with ease, I never have and I certainly don't when we're in this position. That's kind of the point. What i'm saying is that we're not in a position where we can accept a point at home to a midtable side as a good result. It's understandable of course, we don't have to lose our minds if it's what happens, but however you dress it up it isn't really good enough. We only have 10 home games left and 6 of them are against teams above Brighton in the table, the idea that we can just wait for some easier games to come along to pick up points is not realistic. If we'd taken more than 1 point from home games against Forest, Wolves, Leicester then a point tonight might be seen as a decent result, but we didn't, so it's not.

 

[davek]

No, there's no shift. I don't expect us to swat teams like Brighton aside with ease, I never have and I certainly don't when we're in this position. That's kind of the point. What i'm saying is that we're not in a position where we can accept a point at home to a midtable side as a good result. It's understandable of course, we don't have to lose our minds if it's what happens, but however you dress it up it isn't really good enough. We only have 10 home games left and 6 of them are against teams above Brighton in the table, the idea that we can just wait for some easier games to come along to pick up points is not realistic. If we'd taken more than 1 point from home games against Forest, Wolves, Leicester then a point tonight might be seen as a decent result, but we didn't, so it's not.

I think we do ok against top teams. That's been the pattern for Lampard, so I dont see games at home aginst lesser lights as absolute must win games because we'll get nothing from Spurs or City or Arsenal.

We have to find a path to 40 points. We need 25 more from our 21 games. We've done ok on the road against decent teams like Brentford, Fulham and City. and if we can get another 10 points from that source (we got 6 points thus far away from home) then we can get 15 more at home and we should be ok...all assuming we get a forward through the door this January.

 

[allen]

It was divisive but once it was done it was done. He lost any support with his approach to change, his attitude and that he had us heading towards an iceberg that’s hold sink us. Of Lampard was presiding over the chaos in the squad and mass player discontent/Losing the squad, together with his results, I’ve no doubt we’d all want him gone 100%, same as Benitez.

Not sure what you mean by the passage in bold. It definitely wasn’t ever a settled controversy.

 

[Goodisongang]

Ha ha ha.

Do you watch much football?

Do you?

They have finished 15th, 17th, 15th, 16th and then 9th last year but have since lost their manager who was the main reason they finished 9th last season.

The absolute definition of a bang average team.

 

[davek]

Do you?

They have finished 15th, 17th, 15th, 16th and then 9th last year but have since lost their manager who was the main reason they finished 9th last season.

The absolute definition of a bang average team.

...if only Everton were bang average eh?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Not sure what you mean by the passage in bold. It definitely wasn’t ever a settled controversy.

Like Rodgers turning up at ManU, not going to happen, some things should not in football, far too much emotion in it. And take it away it ceases to become the product that makes it so successful.

 

[Goodisongang]

...if only Everton were bang average eh?

Yet only once in the past how many decades have we finished below them?

They are a half decent team, they have lost their manager who was arguably their biggest asset, a win at home Vs this lot should never be unexpected.

 

[allen]

Like Rodgers turning up at ManU, not going to happen, some things should not in football, far too much emotion in it. And take it away it ceases to become the product that makes it so successful.

Benitez was always going to be on a hair trigger because of who he was, and so it proved to be.

I don’t see how anyone can disagree with that, irrespective of their views on him.

Lampard absolutely has more slack in that respect.