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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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Bluestar said:
This was my fear too. It was so predictable.
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Apart from midfield suspension which Davies started anyway no reason drop Godfrey to bench to change formation. Big believer in settled back line, brings you clean sheets as players in the back line build up awareness of fellow defenders and can second guess each other.
 
BlueToff said:
Everton do need to go 352

BUT it worked last year because we had Richarlison and if you remember we played 3 at the back first half v Palace and were 2-0 down. We switched to 433 and the rest is history.

We're crap in numerous systems. Don't people remember back in November when they were giving Lampard pelters for playing a back 3 in the cup v Bournemouth?

He should have stuck with the shape last night but it's no guarantee it's going to succeed. And when your attacking options are as bad as ours are, then it's always going to be fine margins.
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The 433 system is OK if we need to chase a game...like crystal Palace...and yes we need a replacement for richy as 5 at the back means better forward are required.
 
Fatality said:
You are talking about hove albion.. at home.

And its sad you ate absolutely right. Even sadder if we had of went defensive and just lost by the odd goal we probably would accept that. And be happy enough if we managed a point.

And it's not in an attempt to rescue bad form. Its just where we both are as clubs. Spending half a billy to get to that low level. Playong brigjton at home like we would a top 2 side.. Must young blues didnt know who they where a few years ago.
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It what it is and pragmatism of survival should come first at this point, those 4 goals conceded could be the difference in relegation come end and its happened before with goal difference, so losing 1 nil would have been preferable even better another point, anything to get us away from the bottom 3.
 
BlueToff said:
Everton do need to go 352

BUT it worked last year because we had Richarlison and if you remember we played 3 at the back first half v Palace and were 2-0 down. We switched to 433 and the rest is history.

We're crap in numerous systems. Don't people remember back in November when they were giving Lampard pelters for playing a back 3 in the cup v Bournemouth?

He should have stuck with the shape last night but it's no guarantee it's going to succeed. And when your attacking options are as bad as ours are, then it's always going to be fine margins.
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As you have correctly said, we've also had some terrible performances with a back 3.

This is not mainly about formation. This is about style of play and knowing our identity.

Everton is not and never will be a slow paced, passive, possession based team full of slow technical players.

We are an aggressive, direct, high intensity team who put opponents under pressure with pressing and balls into their box.

Lampard's obsession with possession based football from the back is the reason he will be sacked. He hasn't got players to make it work and it completely nullifies the benefits of playing at Goodison. I hate his new style. Its total garbage
 

ToffeeTim said:
As you have correctly said, we've also had some terrible performances with a back 3.

This is not mainly about formation. This is about style of play and knowing our identity.

Everton is not and never will be a slow paced, passive, possession based team full of slow technical players.

We are an aggressive, direct, high intensity team who put opponents under pressure with pressing and balls into their box.

Lampard's obsession with possession based football from the back is the reason he will be sacked. He hasn't got players to make it work and it completely nullifies the benefits of playing at Goodison. I hate his new style. Its total garbage
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I agree, it doesn't work.

That being said we actually won the ball back 7 times from Brighton in their own third yesterday. Know how many times Brighton took it off our defenders? 0.

The issue is Lampard's build up. In the 433 he has two of the midfielders basically running away to the no.6 who is the one who's on the ball. That's fine if that no.6 has amazing passing ability but none of the players we have there do. Onana doesn't, Gana certainly doesn't, and Iwobi has never been a good long passer. Garner might have it, but he's A) not fit, and B) very raw.

That's on Lampard, and he needs to recognise it's not the way to play a 433 with this set of players. 433 shouldn't be played that way with good players, never mind the tosh we have.
 
ToffeeTim said:
As you have correctly said, we've also had some terrible performances with a back 3.

This is not mainly about formation. This is about style of play and knowing our identity.

Everton is not and never will be a slow paced, passive, possession based team full of slow technical players.

We are an aggressive, direct, high intensity team who put opponents under pressure with pressing and balls into their box.

Lampard's obsession with possession based football from the back is the reason he will be sacked. He hasn't got players to make it work and it completely nullifies the benefits of playing at Goodison. I hate his new style. Its total garbage
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I think our awful performances with 3 centre backs was when we had terrible options to fill those positions. Coady, Tarkowski and Godfrey I think will work in the longer term, good first outing v City. We now have a better midfield 3 to play a 3-5-2. I think some of their issues are a lack of attacking quality to pass the ball to. As Davek has said elsewhere, 2 quality attacking reinforcements would make a huge difference.
I’d be tempted to play Stan Mills at right wing back on Friday to see how he gets on. He’s got lots of promise and would hopefully play without the same fear and trepidation some of our current first team. Could then be an option in Patterson’s absence.
 

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Pittsburgh Footy said:
Fair enough

I put that more on the board and the total inability to put together a decent squad over the years than on asking a manager to turn water into wine after losing the one player that actually kept us up last year
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I agree (how could anyone not?) that recruitment has been shocking for the last few years. The really disheartening thing is that whoever we try to pin the blame on doesn't really work. Loads of players were good before they came to us and sucked a$$ when they arrived. Just one example: Davy Klaasen. Captain of a great Ajax team for a couple of seasons before his transfer. The fans there loved him. He was dreadful from day 1 here. £25 million plus wages utterly spunked. Repeat that 15-20 times.

Maybe the managers. I've had my say about the stupid way we choose managers but we had literally the most successful manager in history for a season. We still moaned.

So is it the DoFs? No doubt Steve Walsh was a square peg in a round hole but he was the guy who scouted Leicester's title winning team. Marcel Brands was coveted by bigger clubs than us.

So the board then? Bill isn't everyone's cup of tea and has made some poor decisions (we've all done that), but he genuinely cares and brought in - and worked well with in hindsight - our most successful manager since the 80s.

Moshiri is - let's say - not an expert at running a football club but he's spent/lost half a billion on the club in the last few years and finally is building a fantastic new stadium after years of pipe dreams. I'd still rather Bill and Moshiri than Peter Johnson.

It's easy to gripe and point fingers at any or all of the above, but there are no simple answers, no one person or group to blame. It's hard running a football club.

A few years before our heyday, Forest won 2 leagues and 2 European Cups. They've spent the last 20 years struggling worse than we are. Chelsea and City were awful for years in my lifetime. Villa were relegated, so were Newcastle and Leeds. All big clubs with big dreams they couldn't fulfill for a time.

We've never sunk as low as all of them have at some point.

I feel like I'm becoming almost optimistic. I need a drink.
 

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